All-Star What Happened To The Basics?

[HeatUniqueJ]

Flyer thing:

BEFORE you make your sassy face, make sure you HIT your body position.

Ex: If you're going scorp to scale, PULL the scorp before going out to scale. Don't dorito it out to scale and make a face like you just pulled the most amazing position on this planet.

Hit your stretch. Don't just barely grab the TIP of your shoe RIGHT before you double.

I've seen Flyers do the bent knee rubbing body thing in a routine that consisted of shaky extensions . I don't understand why Flyers have to do borderline sexual moves in stunts. Just hit your stuff and look nice and clean doing it, stop the nonsense. This trend needs to go. There is a thin line between being sassy and looking stupid

sorry if this was off topic ,i just needed to vent lol

 

[KPep]

Flyer thing:

BEFORE you make your sassy face, make sure you HIT your body position.

Ex: If you're going scorp to scale, PULL the scorp before going out to scale. Don't dorito it out to scale and make a face like you just pulled the most amazing position on this planet.

Hit your stretch. Don't just barely grab the TIP of your shoe RIGHT before you double.

OMG. I saw A LOT of that at Worlds.

And, seriously, since when rubbing your body is a thing? Who started that?

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

^^^^Right. I was actually surprised that a lot of double ups to stretch/stretch to stretch tick tocks/etc. actually counted as hits because I could see that the flyer barely grabbed her foot (or never really grabbed it and just kind of bobbled and reached for it) before she came down.

 

[Official OWECheer]

I've seen Flyers do the bent knee rubbing body thing in a routine that consisted of shaky extensions . I don't understand why Flyers have to do borderline sexual moves in stunts. Just hit your stuff and look nice and clean doing it, stop the nonsense. This trend needs to go. There is a thin line between being sassy and looking stupid

sorry if this was off topic ,i just needed to vent lol

SERIOUSLY. The body rubbing seems to be catching on even more this season, and I'm well sick of it.

^^^^Right. I was actually surprised that a lot of double ups to stretch/stretch to stretch tick tocks/etc. actually counted as hits because I could see that the flyer barely grabbed her foot (or never really grabbed it and just kind of bobbled and reached for it) before she came down.

The standard has dropped to the point at which you don't get deducted as long as you don't have a serious bobble. SMH.

 

[tumbleyoda]

SERIOUSLY. The body rubbing seems to be catching on even more this season, and I'm well sick of it.


The standard has dropped to the point at which you don't get deducted as long as you don't have a serious bobble. SMH.

It has been choreographed that way for a lot of teams. Cant call it a bobble if they immediately dismount after passing thru the body position. This is the grey area that people have been able to shimmy thru to avoid truly hitting a stunt or sequence of stunts. We got beat a lot this year by teams doing that. And the body rub sassy flyer thing too. All of our flyers are not deemed not "sassy" enough or don't sell it" because they are taught to hit the position and hold it. We tell the judges and EP's all the time after the event that sassy is not in our vocabulary....lol.

 

[KPep]

It has been choreographed that way for a lot of teams. Cant call it a bobble if they immediately dismount after passing thru the body position. This is the grey area that people have been able to shimmy thru to avoid truly hitting a stunt or sequence of stunts. We got beat a lot this year by teams doing that. And the body rub sassy flyer thing too. All of our flyers are not deemed not "sassy" enough or don't sell it" because they are taught to hit the position and hold it. We tell the judges and EP's all the time after the event that sassy is not in our vocabulary....lol.

Judges tell us ALL THE TIME to be more confident on the floor. If being more confident is asking my 12-13 years old to rub themselves, then I prefer not to win. What happened to smiles and clean motions???

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

I think the rub/tilt originated from college and Louisville and has slowly made its way to Worlds teams/others?

There are programs I see consistently winning who DON'T do that, though. Ex: I don't know that I have ever seen a Rays team do it.

 

[tumbleyoda]

Judges tell us ALL THE TIME to be more confident on the floor. If being more confident is asking my 12-13 years old to rub themselves, then I prefer not to win. What happened to smiles and clean motions???

Agree. That is exactly what we told our athletes. Our youth were constantly dinged because they dont dance like Seniors. Well I don't want my 10 year old dancing like she 19. That aint cute at all, no matter where it is.

 

[Official OWECheer]

It has been choreographed that way for a lot of teams. Cant call it a bobble if they immediately dismount after passing thru the body position. This is the grey area that people have been able to shimmy thru to avoid truly hitting a stunt or sequence of stunts. We got beat a lot this year by teams doing that. And the body rub sassy flyer thing too. All of our flyers are not deemed not "sassy" enough or don't sell it" because they are taught to hit the position and hold it. We tell the judges and EP's all the time after the event that sassy is not in our vocabulary....lol.

I don't understand that... if I were a judge I would be thinking, "honey if you drop it I won't buy it".

 

[5-6-7-8]

Agree. That is exactly what we told our athletes. Our youth were constantly dinged because they dont dance like Seniors. Well I don't want my 10 year old dancing like she 19. That aint cute at all, no matter where it is.

100% agree. Saw a youth 1 team have its featured dancer do the body rub and it looked so wrong. Youth dances should not look like senior dances.

 

[Official OWECheer]

100% agree. Saw a youth 1 team have its featured dancer do the body rub and it looked so wrong. Youth dances should not look like senior dances.

Heck, senior dances shouldn't look like "senior dances"

 

[MzLyn23]

(Buzzfeed had this listed as a positive thing...no, Matt Stopera, this was not a compliment.)

Sickle feet Argh!!!!!

 

[Official OWECheer]

The difficulty over technique hit me hard in 2003. We were at a small local comp and it was my first year as head coach. My team was new and I worked really hard to give them a visually exciting routine along with very clean technique. My team was coed and they hit solid walk in extensions, toss libs and other partner stunts. Compared to today's standards it was super basic, but it was still great stuff. Standing tucks, running tumbling that was synced and tight. Clean clean clean!

But we had a rival team. And this team had a bit of a crazy routine. They had one boy that could do a full (this was back before levels were a thing [emoji57] ) and he just threw them left and right. The team just ran around the floor hitting motions while he threw fulls. This was also before age divisions became popular (most people just had ONE team) and one little munchkin got lost and wandered out onto the middle of the floor while he threw a full up center and he had to straddle her on the landing.

They had some super wobbly cupies that looked like fish out of water with the wiggling and dropping all over.

But they were a larger team and that boy throwing 10 fulls was all it took. They swept awards. Tumbling awards, dance award, stunt awards and of course, Grand Champs.

I asked to meet with the judges afterwards and one reason they loved them so much was because they had purple uniforms -__-

It was a Varsity event. It took me 11 years before I ever did business with Varsity again.


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Wut. Why do they choose to tie themselves to things that damage their brand like that?

 

[cupieqt]

Wut.

Trust I wanted to flip the table on them when they said it. And they laughed while they said it. But they weren't joking. They just couldn't explain themselves and one of them said that and they were all like "yeah! Purple uniforms!" [emoji58]


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[KPep]

Trust I wanted to flip the table on them when they said it. And they laughed while they said it. But they weren't joking. They just couldn't explain themselves and one of them said that and they were all like "yeah! Purple uniforms!" [emoji58]


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The worst part is, how can you explain that to your team? Part of our job is to teach «how to lose» but... in that case...