All-Star Usa Cheer New Music Rules..

[Ciara martin]

Does this mean that every time someone uses a song in a YouTube video they can be sued? Are YouTube views counted as "profit?"

I can't answer the rest of your questions but I know for YouTube Partners (so making money on videos i.e. Profit) can only play 30 seconds of copyrighted songs in YouTube videos. Over that the video will be removed for copyright infringement.

 

[MissCongeniality]

So based on the licensing info I found here. it would cost about $2-5 a kid per year to license with the 3 necessary agencies, plus the gym doing their own mixes to fix this for 99% of music out there. Why is it even an issue??

I think it may be a few dollars more than that once you add in the competitions... and there are several layers since the owner of say the convention center would have to pay and the EP would have to etc. But still... like you said... unless I am missing something the cost (especially when compared to the other costs in cheer) appears minimal (again I don't have all the details).

 

[uhhlyssa01]

I have a question. Isn't allstar primarily run by USASF, not USA Cheer? For example, people don't really get credentialed through USA Cheer, they get it through USASF, and that's where all of the official things happen. So does USA Cheer also play a part in USASF/own it or something similar?

USA Cheer is the governing body for the entire sport of cheer (school, college, STUNT, all star, etc). USASF governs just the All-star industry and falls under USA Cheer.

 

[markbfresh]

I'm fairly certain a solution will be provided by the time that Varsity & the USASF release the music rules for next season. LegitMix has solutions in place. Check out this blog:

The Legitmix Blog: Copyright Common Sense

 

[Cobalt_Jeron]

It mentioned if you play music in a lobby or waiting room you need to have a license. So if you run a dentists office and play the radio in your lobby you could be sued if you don't have a license through a place like ASCAP?

 

[Ashley]

I wonder what the annual cost would be for the industry to subscribe/pay the fees so that they could keep the music.

The slideshow linked says this:

"Go to www.usacheer.com/music for a list of authorized providers."

That url doesn't actually exist yet (I'm not sure if this was supposed to be released yet) but it sounds like USA Cheer will have some licenses. You'll probably just have to limit yourself to certain producers.

 

[AScheer]

It mentioned if you play music in a lobby or waiting room you need to have a license. So if you run a dentists office and play the radio in your lobby you could be sued if you don't have a license through a place like ASCAP?

Yes. Same for a cheer gym. If they decide to turn on the music in their gym during classes, they are supposed to have a license. Although there may be a difference between generic radio and purchased music. If I played an iTunes playlist that I purchased for my own personal use it's illegal to play and share. I think there is some leniency with the radio though, because well it's the public radio and I'm sure they pay licensing. I could be wrong there.

 

[Cobalt_Jeron]

Couldn't you pay a place like ASCAP and then use the music like we have normally?

Our gym owner pays a membership with ASCAP based on our student count. She then buys music from iTunes or Amazon music. Then she gives that music to a music guy (separate business) and he mixes it with all the normal cheer sfx's and voice overs. Then we play that mix at comps.

Is this not legal? We thought we were doing it legally.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

So based on the licensing info I found here. it would cost about $2-5 a kid per year to license with the 3 necessary agencies, plus the gym doing their own mixes to fix this for 99% of music out there. Why is it even an issue??

I've heard licensing costs a lot more than we might actually think. Reading online I read it can span from hundreds of dollars to millions for a blanket license, it just depends on your audience (though my best guess is playing it to 15,000 people at a competition would cost quite a penny). How do I word this...
I was told that in order to license a specific mix for a TV show, it was going to cost thousands of dollars. Granted the number of viewers of said TV show could reach a lot more than the amount of people at a cheerleading competition, but also keep in mind there was only 3 or 4 copyrighted songs in the music.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

Sort of pertaining to this (feel free to move if it doesn't apply), Patrick has released his first fully custom mix. I guess it's a good indication of what we'll be hearing at least from Patrick.

 

[cheer25mom]

I've heard licensing costs a lot more than we might actually think. Reading online I read it can span from hundreds of dollars to millions for a blanket license, it just depends on your audience (though my best guess is playing it to 15,000 people at a competition would cost quite a penny). How do I word this...
I was told that in order to license a specific mix for a TV show, it was going to cost thousands of dollars. Granted the number of viewers of said TV show could reach a lot more than the amount of people at a cheerleading competition, but also keep in mind there was only 3 or 4 copyrighted songs in the music.

That's completely different than what we are talking about. If you look at the comments under the article she linked there is a link that give detailed quotes. It would cost a mid sized cheer gym about $5 a child to license for use in the gym and performances.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

That's completely different than what we are talking about. If you look at the comments under the article she linked there is a link that give detailed quotes. It would cost a mid sized cheer gym about $5 a child to license for use in the gym and performances.

I'm not sure how to word this the way that I'm wanting to. I've been reading about it elsewhere and basically what I've read is that your fees would be based on the amount of people "consuming" it. So my guess from what I'm reading is, your fees would be determined by how many people would be listening to that mix at a competition, because these people have paid to be at the competition. Maybe I'm wrong but my expectation would be that it would cost a lot more than a couple dollars to license music to be played at a venue holding 10,000 people.
Now I might be wrong, but that's what I've found out about these "blanket" licenses.

 

[cheer25mom]

I'm not sure how to word this the way that I'm wanting to. I've been reading about it elsewhere and basically what I've read is that your fees would be based on the amount of people "consuming" it. So my guess from what I'm reading is, your fees would be determined by how many people would be listening to that mix at a competition, because these people have paid to be at the competition. Maybe I'm wrong but my expectation would be that it would cost a lot more than a couple dollars to license music to be played at a venue holding 10,000 people.
Now I might be wrong, but that's what I've found out about these "blanket" licenses.

That's true for the venue and EP, not the gym. The EP and venue charge the admission. Also, what we are talking about isn't the same as a blanket license either. It's through an organization and allows for a dance studio or cheer gym to play the music all year, not just for one performance.

 

[chyeeaaa69]

That's true for the venue and EP, not the gym. They charge the admission.

Which ultimately raises the costs for us to watch and compete at competitions. Possibly by a lot.
What I read was this (paraphrasing):
A radio station in a small town, listened to by a few hundred people yearly may only pay a few thousand dollars in licensing fees. A radio station that is listened to by tens/hundreds of thousands of people yearly may end up paying millions in licensing fees.
Now I'm not saying that ASCAP is all of a sudden gonna hand USASF a $5 million bill for licensing for Worlds, but I can assure you it would likely not be cheap given the amount of competitors and spectators at the event, and ultimately that greatly raises the costs associated with cheerleading.
ETA: the "blanket license" I'm talking about is issued by a company like ASCAP and covers their music for 12 months.

 

[cheer25mom]

Which ultimately raises the costs for us to watch and compete at competitions. Possibly by a lot.
What I read was this (paraphrasing):
A radio station in a small town, listened to by a few hundred people yearly may only pay a few thousand dollars in licensing fees. A radio station that is listened to by tens/hundreds of thousands of people yearly may end up paying millions in licensing fees.
Now I'm not saying that ASCAP is all of a sudden gonna hand USASF a $5 million bill for licensing for Worlds, but I can assure you it would likely not be cheap given the amount of competitors and spectators at the event, and ultimately that greatly raises the costs associated with cheerleading.

Radio stations are on a totally different fee schedule. It's apples and oranges to compare TV and radio to something like a dance recital or cheer competition.