All-Star Punishments/sanctions

[njallday]

can someone just tell me what the heck is happening

 

[kristenthegreat]

can someone just tell me what the heck is happening

I think the funny thing is- because NOBODY knows anything for certain, just little snips at what they THINK is going to happen, nobody can really say what is going on lol.

 

[CAmamakat]

oh my god, you guys are killing me.

Seriously!!! Y'all are killin me!!!

 

[Cheer_Explosion_Coach]

Cheaters******

Bc of the edit my reply seems silly.....

 

[12stepCheermom]

No cheer gate. I wasn't a fan Because it was implying something without facts or basis. The wording of the comment wasn't edited, just the capitalization. If someone would like to ask a question about the rumors they've heard and discuss, that is fine. But passive aggressive comments just to say them are not good for this type of situation.

I'm just glad you caught the "gate" reference.....means I'm not the only old person here

 

[Mom Jeans]

USASF is worried about our image to people outside the cheer world? I feel there is nothing more disrespectful than someone inside the cheer world cheating. It's a big F* you to everyone that's part of this sport.

 

[p.o.k.]

A $1000 fine is nothing to a large gym - if that is what this situation entails. That is just a business expense. Punishment needs to fit the violation and if involves anything to do with worlds, bids, and their athletes then they should be not allowed to compete the next year- all teams from their gym. Just like sanctions for colleges and post season play. Otherwise the punishment is not a deterrent, it is just a calculated gamble.

 

[cheercurl]

What I think is there are always extenuating circumstances and innuendo that we are never going to hear about. Things are never black and white in a situation like this. Passing judgement without a complete story is not kind. A person does not deserve to be crucified and lose a stellar reputation that dates back many years...from a singular event. There is a difference between deliberately setting out to deceive or be malicious and seeing grey in an area where some will only see black and white. Also, be careful what you wish for because all eyes are open now. Which actually may be the intention.

How is that for an extremely cryptic response?

 

[Mamarazzi]

So this reminds me of a situation in which a psycho cheer mom asked another mom if she could take Mom #2s child to another gym's open gym and Mom #1 could claim child #2 as her own, because child #2 is SO good at tumbling...
Ok, doesn't remind me of that at all, but since we're spilling beans and people on this thread want to pass judgement...

 

[Mamarazzi]

Also, be careful what you wish for because all eyes are open now. Which actually may be the intention.

How is that for an extremely cryptic response?

I think that was the intention. People don't like it when they're forced to be quiet. Truth will out.

 

[MomMomMamaMom]

What I think is there are always extenuating circumstances and innuendo that we are never going to hear about. Things are never black and white in a situation like this. Passing judgement without a complete story is not kind. A person does not deserve to be crucified and lose a stellar reputation that dates back many years...from a singular event. There is a difference between deliberately setting out to deceive or be malicious and seeing grey in an area where some will only see black and white. Also, be careful what you wish for because all eyes are open now. Which actually may be the intention.

How is that for an extremely cryptic response?

Extenuating circumstances and incorrectly interpreted policies both probably contribute to a majority of "rule-bending" instances. Or at least, I'd like to hope so. And you're right, there is a difference between this and malicious or intentional disregard. But, I do believe that a rule is a rule. I tell my children all the time that it doesn't always matter if you "meant" to do it, if it affects others negatively there will be consequences. Sometimes, it's in how people think of you or act towards you, sometimes it is harsher. Sometimes it seems unfair, and sometimes people judge you for it. If you have a good reputation, sometimes it helps people try to be more understanding, but you are still responsible for your own actions regardless of if you meant to do it.

 

[CoachTamara]

So this reminds me of a situation in which a psycho cheer mom asked another mom if she could take Mom #2s child to another gym's open gym and Mom #1 could claim child #2 as her own, because child #2 is SO good at tumbling...
Ok, doesn't remind me of that at all, but since we're spilling beans and people on this thread want to pass judgement...

I think there are two sides to this thread. First, there are people that want to call out people and gyms. This is hard because we are usually either for or against teams/gyms... It's hard not to take a side. Second, there is a legit discussion about rules and punishments that (let's be honest) needs to happen in this industry. And not only needs to happen, but rules need to be made and enforced.

The thing that has been said and bothers me the most is this. IF (and only if) people are breaking rules (no matter who it is), I hate that these are people I am expected to look up to, they are people that lead the industry, and people that many parents trust their children to. We all know shady things happen in this sport, and they don't usually benefit the small gym. I have never received free crossovers, free registration, discounted uniforms, etc... This only happens in my wildest dreams. Big gyms get away with a lot, and have many advantages. But getting away with cheating is a totally different thing, and it makes me sick that someone would think they are above the industry and be able to dictate rules as they please. If you manipulate the rules and it involves worlds and/or bids, your gym should not be allowed to compete the next year. Sorry for the kids, but it is a business. You have to hit them where it hurts, and the kids are always free to go somewhere else. Like I said before, it's not hard NOT to cheat, and there are plenty of gyms that don't.

 

[Mo-Lissa]

Breaking the rules is just what it is....Breaking the rules. They are posted for all to see even parents, so this gray area stuff is crap when you have been in the cheer community for any length of time!!! You sure read them to make sure your routines are legal!!!!!

 

[cheercurl]

The problem with passing judgement is...your truth is not my truth. Tighten the rules so there is as little grey as possible.

 

[CoachTamara]

The problem with passing judgement is...your truth is not my truth. Tighten the rules so there is as little grey as possible.

I understand there are gray areas in stunting, but as far as general rules, bid rules, etc there isn't much gray to work with. You have to be searching pretty hard, and in my opinion, trying to simply find your way around a black and white rule.