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There has been a lot of discussion on what is going on with music, I might be able to give you a little better understanding on what is going on (I have in in the music or music related business for 30+ years).
When you buy a song on itunes or another site, you are simply buying the right to listen to that song personally,,you can't use that music for a concert and charge admission, you can't 'sync' it with a video , etc etc. You are simply paying for the right to listen to it.
For years people were simply using this type of music in cheer competition,,however it is very clearly a copyright violation (and teh fines are staggering). So USA Cheer and other organizations have realized they have to 'police' the music.
A company I am involved with recently (as in today) launched a website that offers cleared music that you can use in cheer (Home - Cheer Jam Music and there are other vendors that are USA Cheer approved vendors (as we are)
We offer tracks for $15 each, and bundles of tracks and "jam kits" which include music and work parts. You have to put the music together to fit your routine,,,there are other vendors that will put everything together for you (we are just a music source).
I have read some people that think USA Cheer did this to make money,,no , they don't want to be faced with $150,000 fine PER OCCURANCE, or have you group or organization faced with that fine.
I hope this post might give anyone interested insight into what is going on with the music,,,I have read a lot of misinformation.
andy
When you buy a song on itunes or another site, you are simply buying the right to listen to that song personally,,you can't use that music for a concert and charge admission, you can't 'sync' it with a video , etc etc. You are simply paying for the right to listen to it.
For years people were simply using this type of music in cheer competition,,however it is very clearly a copyright violation (and teh fines are staggering). So USA Cheer and other organizations have realized they have to 'police' the music.
A company I am involved with recently (as in today) launched a website that offers cleared music that you can use in cheer (Home - Cheer Jam Music and there are other vendors that are USA Cheer approved vendors (as we are)
We offer tracks for $15 each, and bundles of tracks and "jam kits" which include music and work parts. You have to put the music together to fit your routine,,,there are other vendors that will put everything together for you (we are just a music source).
I have read some people that think USA Cheer did this to make money,,no , they don't want to be faced with $150,000 fine PER OCCURANCE, or have you group or organization faced with that fine.
I hope this post might give anyone interested insight into what is going on with the music,,,I have read a lot of misinformation.
andy
- Sep 4, 2016
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$15 seems reasonable. Are there companies out there charging significantly more for music? We are involved in Pop Warner and have been told the music for our three teams costs over $1000 which seems like an insane cost for a group of 5-7 year old little girls to do a little dance to.
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Twinklestars
Cheer Parent
- Sep 11, 2013
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You do know that means $15 per song used in each mix? Each mix will then have multiple songs, plus voice overs and special effects.
$1000 for three mixes is very reasonable. Some teams spend more than that on one mix.
- Sep 4, 2016
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I guess I assumed a mix wouldn't include more than 3-4 tracks for little kids. I didn't think about more cost for voice and effects.
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Cheer Dad
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- Dec 15, 2009
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Curious if pop warner is even worried about music copyright issue this year anyway.
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- Sep 4, 2016
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Yes. New this year. If you google it, you will find some info on it. There is a ton of confusion around it, which is expected considering it is so new. But PW made it clear that even music being used at games with no entry fee needs to be approximately licensed.
I assume our team is purchasing music from a vendor. But I have a friend who runs a program in another area, she said her program had contracted a local composer/musician to make them original music because their organization couldn't afford to purchase it for all their teams, I think it was a small town favor. I heard their music, it is good. I haven't heard ours yet.
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- Feb 29, 2016
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We've done a ton of mixes for Pop Warner across the country this year. $1000 for 3 mixes isn't bad, but we can definitely beat that price. We are preferred providers for USA cheer blah blah blah so if someone is on a budget, and want a custom mix with all the bell and whistles and voice overs... send them our way! website is in bio
- Feb 29, 2016
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Send me an email to discuss these $15/song and jam kits. We are a mixing company....so if you can save us money....we can save our customers money. [email protected]
Thanks,
Sully
- Sep 27, 2016
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We are trying to find people that can't afford the $1,000 for a couple of mixes, nothing against those that can, there are great vendors that will provide them mixed music,,we provide the music itself (and work parts) so you should be able to put together a mix for under $100 (which was our goal).
We own all of our music and am a USA Cheer approved vendor
Home - Cheer Jam Music
andy
- Aug 18, 2015
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From what I understand even music played at rallies/games ... Can not be original artist copy written music. We had to purchase all Varsity compliant music this year... All cover mixes (ex: unleash the beats, Cheersounds mixes)... In order to have stuff to perform to. To me... In mixes nothing is really sounding THAT different from before. We just did one mix where only one song sounded a "little" "kids bop"... Other than that... Crowd had ZERO clue it wasn't the original artist and were jamming out as usual. I believe the trick is going with a good quality producer on custom and cover mixes.
My daughter cheers and I heard about this music rule change a few months ago. I read the forum (that I am not yet allowed to post to yet) about his change. Nowhere in the 29 pages is the organization ASCAP mentioned?? I am a Musician and was a member of ASCAP for nearly 20 years. I have been in the music industry for over 35 years and find this rule change for playing original or "getting the owners music permission" odd. ASCAP is an organization that collects royalties for artists. If you own a club, bar, radio station, Cheer company (YES YOU SHOULD Be paying ASCAP to play music anywhere in the building) ASCAP covers you to legally play music there. Sooo here is my concern!! Is Varsity to cheap to get a ASCAP license? They spend thousands to rent a building for your shows. Please do a search for ASCAP and you will see how inexpensive it is to get a license for a 1 or 2 day event. Last License I saw for a music Festival for 40,000 attendees was $345. It covers all the music played there. If ASCAP sends out a researcher (they rarely do) the songs played will be written down and the artists will be paid a percentage. Major artists like Katy Perry, Madonna, Rolling Stones will get about $5 for the day (it adds up when you add in all the clubs and radio stations). Basically the popular songs payout and all the other artists get thrown into a pool and sent a check at the end of the month.
- Sep 27, 2016
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This disconnect is what rights they are trying to protect,,this is less about composer royalties (ASCAP, BMI & SESAC) than about rights granted by the DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act), and held by the record companies.
You do not have permission (even if you have composers covered) to use music in anyway other than for your personal listening, without having a license for that 'clearance' (whatever use you are planning). This is why groups are having to get music that is 'cleared' which normally means it is either cover music or original music.
The fines for copyright infringement from the record companies (under the DMCA) are very harsh, as set out in the DMCA,,those are the fines Varsity is worried about.
andy
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