All-Star Sandbagging

[lifeoftheparty]

CP's gym doesn't utilize crossovers unless absolutely needed. I can think of maybe only 1 athlete at level 5 that crosses to another level 5. There are some on the lower levels but few and far between. Sometimes I feel we are at a disadvantage because I see my CP's team competing against teams that have many worlds athletes on their teams (not just CEA). BUT, if her gym utilized crossovers I'm well aware she would absolutely have not had the opportunity to be on the team she is on now. The spot she has now could have easily been given to an age eligible worlds athlete with more experience if the gym used crossovers like some.

 

[Lablover]

I have a question for teams that don't use crossovers. Does your gym not add any additional athletes to the team prior to summit? Meaning whoever got the bid competes. No additions and no subtractions? For example, your youth 3 team of 24 girls got a bid to summit. 2 youth age girls are on a jr4 team that didn't get a bid. Would your gym open up the opportunity for those 2 girls to join the youth team? They are age appropriate, can do the tumbling and wouldn't cause you to have to add a stunt group.

 

[MyGirlCheers]

I have a question for teams that don't use crossovers. Does your gym not add any additional athletes to the team prior to summit? Meaning whoever got the bid competes. No additions and no subtractions? For example, your youth 3 team of 24 girls got a bid to summit. 2 youth age girls are on a jr4 team that didn't get a bid. Would your gym open up the opportunity for those 2 girls to join the youth team? They are age appropriate, can do the tumbling and wouldn't cause you to have to add a stunt group.

At our gym, the kids that earn the bid are the kids that go to Summit unless there are extenuating circumstances - injury, financial, new mental block, etc. No athlete is replaced who has the skills they had when the bid was won. AFAIK, a paid bid only covers the number of athletes that were on the bid winning team, so our gym would not add additional athletes even if there was room on the team.

Our gym does use some cross overs - usually to replace athletes who quit or are injured. We don't cross over between levels because we take all our teams to NCA.

 

[tumbleyoda]

I have a question for teams that don't use crossovers. Does your gym not add any additional athletes to the team prior to summit? Meaning whoever got the bid competes. No additions and no subtractions? For example, your youth 3 team of 24 girls got a bid to summit. 2 youth age girls are on a jr4 team that didn't get a bid. Would your gym open up the opportunity for those 2 girls to join the youth team? They are age appropriate, can do the tumbling and wouldn't cause you to have to add a stunt group.

We took four teams to the Summit last year and have five teams going so far this year. We did not and would not add additional athletes. It would be a nightmare dealing with the parents of the athletes who did not get added on to go. Whether they had the skill or not would be irrelevant. If athletes off our Youth 2 (no bid currently and wasn't even put together as a bid team - but now of course they want to go) for example which was age eligible was added to Junior 3 (has bid) for any other reason than an injury or an athlete moved or quit off J3, every parent on Y2 would want an immediate meeting wanting to know why their child wasn't selected. I am not even joking when I say every parent.

 

[SL&AM]

And it's not just the cheer world that does this---last year a local to us gym had Summit try-outs for their dance teams. One of those teams ended up winning the Summit---could they have done that without the try out? Probably not, but who cares, they got those rings? ;p

 

[Sparkle Mom]

Eta: meant to quote this to the post about what would the cea teams with worlds athletes do for summit, I think it was in this thread?


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I rolled my eyes at least 3 times while reading this. Makes me feel for the teams that got passed over for bids against these team. I find it particularly irritating because this isn't even a big gym thing. I know some will advocate win at all costs but I will never respect it.

 

[Sparkle Mom]

At least that's the rule for the raliegh gym I would assume it applies here but idk for sure

Yeah I'm not buying it. No athletes are coming from other teams... Even if that is mentioned is it really followed? Doubtful

 

[omgitssydthekid]

I have a question for teams that don't use crossovers. Does your gym not add any additional athletes to the team prior to summit? Meaning whoever got the bid competes. No additions and no subtractions? For example, your youth 3 team of 24 girls got a bid to summit. 2 youth age girls are on a jr4 team that didn't get a bid. Would your gym open up the opportunity for those 2 girls to join the youth team? They are age appropriate, can do the tumbling and wouldn't cause you to have to add a stunt group.

We wouldn't add extra kids, but we have had to replace some kids for summit because of financial issues. If that wasn't a factor, we wouldn't have replaced them. We wanted to take the team that won the bid to summit, but unfortunately it isn't working out that way [emoji852]


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[UCFKnights07]

im not shocked by the lower levels at CEA having spots to fill but im shocked as to why there are still spots to fill on large and medium senior, which im guessing is lady elite and ladies of teal. I mean i thought that was the whole point of LOT was the fact that they had SO many girls try out. Unless the lost some due to injuries.

 

[luv2cheer92]

im not shocked by the lower levels at CEA having spots to fill but im shocked as to why there are still spots to fill on large and medium senior, which im guessing is lady elite and ladies of teal. I mean i thought that was the whole point of LOT was the fact that they had SO many girls try out. Unless the lost some due to injuries.

LE isn't at Kernersville though. LOT is listed as medium on the UCA schedule, so I was thinking it must mean them and SE.

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[DonePaying4Cheer]

Yeah I'm not buying it. No athletes are coming from other teams... Even if that is mentioned is it really followed? Doubtful

To be fair the Raleigh location seems to be low key and drama less. SSX seems to keep the same girls all year and I never noticed too many crossovers to inappropriate teams.
Like 3lite is level 3 and Cougars looks like a separate team from SSX and SMOEX.
No crossovers. No ads.

 

[luv2cheer92]

To be fair the Raleigh location seems to be low key and drama less. SSX seems to keep the same girls all year and I never noticed too many crossovers to inappropriate teams.
Like 3lite is level 3 and Cougars looks like a separate team from SSX and SMOEX.
No crossovers. No ads.

I can't speak to this year, but there have been SSX girls on 3lite in the past.

 

[Perkyninjamomma]

I've read through the last 3 pages 4 times. And each time it makes me angrier. I can understand maybe one team needing to be filled or a few spots due to crossovers. But lawd... There is no excuse. Smaller gyms (but not D2 small) can follow the crossover rules and are able to compete. Come on.


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[BlueCat]

I have mentioned this idea before, but here it again anyway:

2 "classifications" of gyms.

1. Gym owners self-select their classification at the start of the season and are not allowed to switch mid-season.
2. Classification affects ALL teams.

"National" division

• Liberal use of crossovers allowed within a facility
• Much lower age "floor" for divisions. (10 years olds on senior teams, etc)

"World" division

• Very restricted use of crossovers. (Perhaps similar to NCA Nationals policy or stricter)
• Higher age floors (12 and up on senior teams)
• Eligible for Worlds Bids.

There would be division splits at competitions when EACH side would have 2 or more teams in it.

I would also suggest to Varsity that they implement rules for Summit similar to Worlds about athletes hopping around to bid-earning teams (or stricter).

I would like to see it that once an athlete is on a team that earns a bid, that athlete is not eligible to help a different team earn a bid later.

As it stands, theoretically, we could enter Panthers in multiple divisions at 2 competitions as Senior 5R, Senior 4, Senior 3, Senior 2, and Senior 1 and then have our "real" senior 5R, 4, 3, 2, and 1 go to Summit with those bids. (Our teams are generally capable of earning their own bids, just using that as an example.)

 

[NCCheerMama]

The Raleigh Location of CEA had tryouts for all their summit teams yesterday. To fill open spots bc of cross-overs and kids who are going to worlds, and can only have 5 worlds athletes on a Summit team. The FB post stated they rather take CEA athletes and those not currently in All-Stars, but did state they would take kids from other programs, they just had to be done with their season by the Summit.