Level 2 Half Up To Extension

[EMMbaleena]

Looking for some clarification on an issue with level 2 half ups. According to USASF rules rotation is based on the hips of the flyer. In video 1 below we have the flyer reaching around to her backspot in the sponge which turns her hips 1/4 of the way around. As the bases dip and drive to the top, they turn 1/4 of the way creating the full 1/2 turn.

We've received some feed back saying this actually creates a 3/4 turn and that the flyer can only reach around to the main base (video 2). However, we've also received feedback that this doesn't turn the flyers hips so the full 1/2 turn isn't created.

We are in the process of submitting to USASF to get an official ruling, but would love some feedback from you all in the mean time

Video 1:


Video 2:

 

[KPep]

I don't think either would count as a half up, especially #2. I personnally wouldn't consider #1 because her hips don't make a full 180 turn. Reaching out like she did only makes the torso rotate, if that makes sense. It might score on the spot, but it might not after review.

 

[JJA]

So essentially the judges will watch the flyers hips from the initiation (dip) of the skill.

Both videos looks like a 1/4 up to me. Where your flyer grabs/ reaches to makes no difference as a judge will watch her hips and only her hips. In the first video, although her upper body is facing the back, and even her hips at one point are almost to the back, at the initiation of the skill, her hips are not square to the back but are still to the side.

In my opinion, both versions are a 1/4, but regardless of where the flyer pushes from, this skill is legal at level 2.


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[cheer25mom]

Neither is a half up. Your flyer needs to fully turn to face back, so bases will need to change grips.


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[Quotation]

The first one might be considered a half up, but the rotation isn't a clear 1/2 so it is very possible that the judges would score you for a 1/4 up. I would use a ruby slipper grip for half up, the bases grips don't have to change too much and it is a clear half turn

 

[cheer25mom]

The first one might be considered a half up, but the rotation isn't a clear 1/2 so it is very possible that the judges would score you for a 1/4 up. I would use a ruby slipper grip for half up, the bases grips don't have to change too much and it is a clear half turn

CPs team uses this grip and finds it much more difficult than the traditional half up grip they have used in the past. According to my CP who main bases, the easiest way to achieve a half up is when the flyer leads into smoosh facing back and bases hands are crossed to grasp the opposite foot. They dip and rotate straight to extension, bases never move and it is a clear half up. She vastly prefers this to the ruby slipper because it is an easier hand position for the bases. I think the ruby slipper is better visually, if you can hit it consistently. 2 out of 4 stunt groups on CPs team ruby slipper, and two cross over because they cannot hit the ruby slipper.


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[EMMbaleena]

Thanks so much for all the responses!!

Unfortunately, we have 1 practice before our next comp and we're a youth team :help: THANKS HOLIDAYS!!
So, for this one we're going to just give the twist around to the backspot a shot...and hope it's viewed as a half up. Too many changes and the girls will lose their little minds.

We're probably going to make the switch to either the ruby slipper or the traditional half up after that.

Thanks again

 

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CPs team uses this grip and finds it much more difficult than the traditional half up grip they have used in the past. According to my CP who main bases, the easiest way to achieve a half up is when the flyer leads into smoosh facing back and bases hands are crossed to grasp the opposite foot. They dip and rotate straight to extension, bases never move and it is a clear half up. She vastly prefers this to the ruby slipper because it is an easier hand position for the bases. I think the ruby slipper is better visually, if you can hit it consistently. 2 out of 4 stunt groups on CPs team ruby slipper, and two cross over because they cannot hit the ruby slipper.


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I prefer ruby slipper because it maintains consistency for the flyer. using ruby slipper for 1/2, full, 1 1/2, and double ups the flyer does the same thing every time, stand and snap toes together. the movement is the same for bases in all of these rotations, even when the hand grip changes. The bases only need to take 1, maybe 2 steps or pivot (depending on which base they are) for all of these rotations. starting to use ruby slipper in level 2 sets up a foundation for higher level stunts.

 

[cpersichilli]

I prefer ruby slipper because it maintains consistency for the flyer. using ruby slipper for 1/2, full, 1 1/2, and double ups the flyer does the same thing every time, stand and snap toes together. the movement is the same for bases in all of these rotations, even when the hand grip changes. The bases only need to take 1, maybe 2 steps or pivot (depending on which base they are) for all of these rotations. starting to use ruby slipper in level 2 sets up a foundation for higher level stunts.

Do you have a video of the ruby slipper half up? Ive only been able to find a full up video

 

[Quotation]

Do you have a video of the ruby slipper half up? Ive only been able to find a full up video

I don't have a video but i'll see if I can try to explain the grips.
Flyer stands facing the back, face to face with left base (i've heard both bases called main so i'm just using sides)
right base stands behind flyer, facing the back
backspot stands on the left side of the flyer facing in
flyer gives left foot to left base so that their toe is facing the base, left base grabs heel with right hand and toe with left hand, so that their thumbs are pointing away from them
flyer gives right foot to right base, clicking their heels together, right base holds normal grip.
backspot grabs ankle, butt (like normal)
as they press up the right base and backspot pivot and the left base steps in to meet them.
left base simply has to turn hands to a normal grip on the way up

 

[cheer25mom]

I prefer ruby slipper because it maintains consistency for the flyer. using ruby slipper for 1/2, full, 1 1/2, and double ups the flyer does the same thing every time, stand and snap toes together. the movement is the same for bases in all of these rotations, even when the hand grip changes. The bases only need to take 1, maybe 2 steps or pivot (depending on which base they are) for all of these rotations. starting to use ruby slipper in level 2 sets up a foundation for higher level stunts.

And that's why CPs team is learning it at level 2, but it is definitely more difficult for the bases than a traditional half up and not all of them are capable of hitting it consistently yet. Yes, it should be a goal, but you can't get it in just a couple of practices, particularly with inexperienced bases.


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