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[FamousxMindset]

I don't want to defend anyone but the tone throughout this entire thread except from the OP interestingly enough was that the coach is this unstable time bob looking for kids to berate when that doesn't seem to be the case. I would almost gurantee that the kid in questions honestly gets why all of this happened, she may be unhappy with the way it happened but deep down I bet she understands it.

I don't believe in coaching through fear, but I do believe in transparency between kids and parents alike and I'm not sure why so many others struggle with the concept. We all make bad decisions and I dont think the coach in question made a 'bad' decision but I do think it was untimely.

Sometimes the coach who gets on your kids the most is actually their biggest supporter. So if takes them hating me for 20 minutes, or knocking them down a level for a season for them to get it thats something I will do, and will continue to do. Because the kids I am the toughest on almost always come back to tell me thank you. I don't ask them to do something they are incapable then fuss when they don't do it thats insane.

None of us have the full story, and we will never get the full story from both sides so all of this speculation.

 

[FamousMatty]

IMO, you don't ever take advantage of one child to make a point to the others. That is just bad coaching. Ruling by fear is never the answer. Long term it always falls apart. Having the kid's respect is much more important, and you gain respect by being fair and consistent, not by cutting a kid in the middle of a comp to instill fear in the others. I get that you are trying to defend the coach here, but you have to acknowledge that sometimes coaches do make bad decisions, just like parents.

I wish there was a mega shimmy option for this. As a coach we train athletes to overcome fears not instill fear in them. We are not the dictator in the room. We are the mediator. We are the liason between the talent an athlete already has and the potential talent they stand to gain. I've been doing this for a very long time now. I have coached some amazing teams and I have coached some serious struggle bus teams over the years. From my best team to my worst team there has not been a single one who has ever competed that I believe the team as a whole would have benefitted in any possible way by me removing an athlete in the warmup room. I have taken many passes out of a routine and I have watered down half a routine before when needed in the warm up room but to remove an athlete at the competiton completely changes the dynamic of your routine and mentally messes with the remaining athletes confidence on the floor.

 

[FamousxMindset]

It's not like a kid is on a worlds team at a big comp thinking: "Oh I'm feeling a bit lazy today, maybe I won't throw my pass... wait, hold on, Suzy was just pulled off the team for not throwing hers, I better do mine so it doesn't happen to me!"

I agree ruling by fear is not a good idea.

Its not leading by fear its leading by accountability, and at times that may require making an example out of someone. Of course it works lol it not a complex process " I have a job to do, and I have to do it even when I'm tired or don't feel like it" my y1 itsy bitsies get this concept rather well.

 

[123jump4!]

Its not leading by fear its leading by accountability, and at times that may require making an example out of someone. Of course it works lol it not a complex process " I have a job to do, and I have to do it even when I'm tired or don't feel like it" my y1 itsy bitsies get this concept rather well.

I said worlds team, not Y1... But my kid is young and she messes up at practice sometimes and the coach might choose to get mad or whatever. But at competition? She performs because she wants to do well! Not because she will be held accountable.

 

[FamousxMindset]

Literally from their website.

____ I understand that if an athlete loses the skills they tried out with, it is the coaches discretion to appoint athlete as an alternate until the skills are performed again.

 There will be no arguing or questioning of the coaching staff’s decisions at competitions.

 

[justpeachy]

I have a job to do, and I have to do it even when I'm tired or don't feel like it" my y1 itsy bitsies get this concept rather well.

Mental blocks are 0% about being tired or not feeling like it.

When an athlete has a mental block, they CANNOT flip over. It is not a conscious decision. It is a subconscious manifestation of fear.

 

[FamousxMindset]

I said worlds team, not Y1... But tbh my kid is young and she messes up at practice sometimes and the coach might choose to get mad or whatever. But at competition? She performs because she wants to do well! Not because she will be held accountable.

If a y1 kid who started cheer 7 months ago can get it why can't a 17 year old? And that's a problem within itself lol. I can only speak for my kids who all get it. Next season I will lose 2 kids because they are aging out and one asked if she could stay listed as an alternate even though she will be however far away at whatever college she decides to attend. Kid and parents wouldn't hesitate to jump ship if I "ruled by fear"

 

[emo_wifey]

Literally from their website.

____ I understand that if an athlete loses the skills they tried out with, it is the coaches discretion to appoint athlete as an alternate until the skills are performed again.

 There will be no arguing or questioning of the coaching staff’s decisions at competitions.

If this is what their contract says, IMO the CP should've already been an alternate and not competing. It was a known issue.

I hope I'm misunderstanding you but it sounds like you're blaming the kid for having a mental block. If you know an athlete has a mental block, wouldn't you change their pass or pull them out so you could adjust BEFORE the competition?

This whole thing has my head spinning. It's been mentioned there are multiple sides to every story. Two have been presented and are conflicting.

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[FamousxMindset]

Mental blocks are 0% about being tired or not feeling like it.

When an athlete has a mental block, they CANNOT flip over. It is not a conscious decision. It is a subconscious manifestation of fear.

Most of the kids don't have real blocks they have been allowed to sulk in their misery by teamates, coaches, parents, or personal desire and they have a hard time coming back from it tbh. The longer you allow kid to believe they can't do something the harder it is to bring them back to reality.

This coming from an athlete who has personally overcame a block, and a coached who has coached kids through them.

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[FamousxMindset]

If this is what their contract says, IMO the CP should've already been an alternate and not competing. It was a known issue.

I hope I'm misunderstanding you but it sounds like you're blaming the kid for having a mental block. If you know an athlete has a mental block, wouldn't you change their pass or pull them out so you could adjust BEFORE the competition?

This whole thing has my head spinning. It's been mentioned there are multiple sides to every story. Two have been presented and are conflicting.

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I'm not blaming the kid at all but what I'm also not doing is blaming the coaches for holding kids accountable and upholding her end of the contract like everyone else seems to be doing lol.

 

[cheer25mom]

Most of the kids don't have real blocks they have been allowed to sulk in their misery and they have a hard time coming back from it tbh. This coming from an athlete who has personally overcame a block, and a coached who has coached kids through them.

I am so glad you don't coach my kid. Any coach that believes mental blocks aren't real shouldn't be coaching.


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[emo_wifey]

I'm not blaming the kid at all but what I'm also not doing is blaming the coaches for holding kids accountable and upholding her end of the contract like everyone else seems to be doing lol.

Which goes back to my first point, coach should've dealt with this before comp because it was a known issue. I think most of us agree on that.

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[cheer25mom]

and at times that may require making an example out of someone. l.

That's ruling out of fear. A coach who has the respect of their athletes doesn't need to make an example out of anyone.

 

[FamousxMindset]

That's ruling out of fear.

Example, accountability, responsibility, transparency whatever you wanna call it works for me lol (and my kids.)

 

[cheer25mom]

Example, accountability, responsibility, transparency whatever you wanna call it works for me lol (and my kids.)

Making an example of a child is not accountability, responsibility, or transparency. It's the easy way out of being or teaching any of that.