All-Star Nca 2020

[icequeen]

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I’m sure they will get paid at UCA

 

[4D3CHEER!]

You are right. Maybe I'm just worried too much since they haven't got paid until now. Is UCA their only next comp? Or do they have other comps besides UCA?

 

[icequeen]

You are right. Maybe I'm just worried too much since they haven't got paid until now. Is UCA their only next comp? Or do they have other comps besides UCA?

I’ve seen in the past where they would add a last minute competition to get a bid of needed.

 

[caffeineandglitter]

It seems like the International Open teams have a harder time getting bids (which is a shame because those are also the teams where a lot of athletes are over 18 and more likely to be on their own financially). Reckless also didn't get a paid bid. Does this have something to do with what I keep seeing about "bid declarations"?

 

[luv2cheer92]

It seems like the International Open teams have a harder time getting bids (which is a shame because those are also the teams where a lot of athletes are over 18 and more likely to be on their own financially). Reckless also didn't get a paid bid. Does this have something to do with what I keep seeing about "bid declarations"?

Yes, level 7 teams were not eligible for paid bids at NCA. The 8 senior division were "guaranteed" a paid bid each, as long as there was a team that placed in the top 5 that did not have a paid bid already. The last paid went to the highest scoring of all the open level 6 divisions, and any left over from the 8 senior divisions would then go to the next highest scoring open 6 division winners. So yes, Open and Int'l Open typically do have a harder time, but this is how it has always been. Also, Reckless did not score very high in terms of Worlds teams, so they wouldn't have gotten a paid bid anyway.

Here is the NCA bid declaration
https://www.varsity.com/nca/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2020_nca_worlds_bid_declaration.pdf

 

[quitthedrama]

I thought WE Black Ops and Smoex both looked amazing, but I think Smoex had an early release on a coed to the far right. This season that really cost you.

Just using this as a jumping point (not responding to you personally). I saw a lot of complaining during cheersport from a couple of teams in this division regarding the new coed stunt scoring, and saw a lot of tweets last night saying that Smoex and Cali got robbed. I thought the division at NCA was placed right (although I have always been a huge Warriors fan and thought they were the better team day 2). If you're going to compete coed, then the coed part of the scoresheet needs to matter, and the top teams did solid coed stunts. Over the past few years coed stunts have looked more and more like show and gos and weren't even being held for a single count.
As a side note, for any male cheerleader looking to cheer in college, I can promise that you will be far more marketable if you can stunt and spin once than you will if the only thing you are is a tumble bunny, so IMO it's in all of these teams best interest to work coed stunting as much as they do tumbling.

 

[caffeineandglitter]

Yes, level 7 teams were not eligible for paid bids at NCA. The 8 senior division were "guaranteed" a paid bid each, as long as there was a team that placed in the top 5 that did not have a paid bid already. The last paid went to the highest scoring of all the open level 6 divisions, and any left over from the 8 senior divisions would then go to the next highest scoring open 6 division winners. So yes, Open and Int'l Open typically do have a harder time, but this is how it has always been. Also, Reckless did not score very high in terms of Worlds teams, so they wouldn't have gotten a paid bid anyway.

Here is the NCA bid declaration
https://www.varsity.com/nca/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/2020_nca_worlds_bid_declaration.pdf

Thank you SO much, clears up a lot of my confusion! I take it each comp can set their own bid declarations?

 

[oncecoolcoachnowmom]

Just using this as a jumping point (not responding to you personally). I saw a lot of complaining during cheersport from a couple of teams in this division regarding the new coed stunt scoring, and saw a lot of tweets last night saying that Smoex and Cali got robbed. I thought the division at NCA was placed right (although I have always been a huge Warriors fan and thought they were the better team day 2). If you're going to compete coed, then the coed part of the scoresheet needs to matter, and the top teams did solid coed stunts. Over the past few years coed stunts have looked more and more like show and gos and weren't even being held for a single count.
As a side note, for any male cheerleader looking to cheer in college, I can promise that you will be far more marketable if you can stunt and spin once than you will if the only thing you are is a tumble bunny, so IMO it's in all of these teams best interest to work coed stunting as much as they do tumbling.

I feel like NCA comp schools prioritize tumbling more than most others but even still, tumbling is still not the biggest part of the scoresheet (at least as far as I know.) Even if NCA prioritizes tumbling more, I agree that you still need to be more than a tumbler. If others have elite passes AND stunting ability, them > you if there are only so many slots.

With UCA style - you are for SURE more valuable on the mat in stunts. By far.

Additional jumping off point:

I saw quite a few more BOY FLYERS in Worlds divisions. Cool. I am an equal opportunity human so I don't personally care who flies. However, college cheer still very much adheres to the gender role binary of girls fly and boys lift them.

What post-Worlds opportunities are there for boys who tumble and fly - and maybe have zero coed experience?

 

[wishfulthinking]

Repercussions of watching nothing but cheer for the entire weekend whilst sitting down: my back is angry at my decision.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Repercussions of watching nothing but cheer for the entire weekend whilst sitting down: my back is angry at my decision.

My legs felt really sore this morning, like I did a long run yesterday. But I did not.

 

[luv2cheer92]

Just using this as a jumping point (not responding to you personally). I saw a lot of complaining during cheersport from a couple of teams in this division regarding the new coed stunt scoring, and saw a lot of tweets last night saying that Smoex and Cali got robbed. I thought the division at NCA was placed right (although I have always been a huge Warriors fan and thought they were the better team day 2). If you're going to compete coed, then the coed part of the scoresheet needs to matter, and the top teams did solid coed stunts. Over the past few years coed stunts have looked more and more like show and gos and weren't even being held for a single count.
As a side note, for any male cheerleader looking to cheer in college, I can promise that you will be far more marketable if you can stunt and spin once than you will if the only thing you are is a tumble bunny, so IMO it's in all of these teams best interest to work coed stunting as much as they do tumbling.

So much this! It blew my mind to see coaches complaining about the coed scoring. Hit your stunts, or build more coed stunting into your routine, and you won't have to worry about it.

 

[UCFKnights07]

I feel like NCA comp schools prioritize tumbling more than most others but even still, tumbling is still not the biggest part of the scoresheet (at least as far as I know.) Even if NCA prioritizes tumbling more, I agree that you still need to be more than a tumbler. If others have elite passes AND stunting ability, them > you if there are only so many slots.

With UCA style - you are for SURE more valuable on the mat in stunts. By far.

Additional jumping off point:

I saw quite a few more BOY FLYERS in Worlds divisions. Cool. I am an equal opportunity human so I don't personally care who flies. However, college cheer still very much adheres to the gender role binary of girls fly and boys lift them.

What post-Worlds opportunities are there for boys who tumble and fly - and maybe have zero coed experience?

Yes to all of this. A college that competes at uca isnt going to take a strong tumbler but weak stunter, imo.
I feel like this is the biggest difference between the two, you could probably be on a team and not contribute as much to stunting if you have strong tumble skills or vise versa if on an nca team. But i cant see the likes of Bama, ucf, kentucky taking a guy who cant one man with extreme confidence.

 

[quitthedrama]

I feel like NCA comp schools prioritize tumbling more than most others but even still, tumbling is still not the biggest part of the scoresheet (at least as far as I know.) Even if NCA prioritizes tumbling more, I agree that you still need to be more than a tumbler. If others have elite passes AND stunting ability, them > you if there are only so many slots.

With UCA style - you are for SURE more valuable on the mat in stunts. By far.

Additional jumping off point:

I saw quite a few more BOY FLYERS in Worlds divisions. Cool. I am an equal opportunity human so I don't personally care who flies. However, college cheer still very much adheres to the gender role binary of girls fly and boys lift them.

What post-Worlds opportunities are there for boys who tumble and fly - and maybe have zero coed experience?

That might be true for the small handful of NCA teams who focus more on one weekend a year than actual game days (not meant to be a criticism), but for the most part, coaches expect guys to hold up girls at games for a heck of a lot longer than 4 counts. Most of the guys who have been at the NCA school my kids are at have zero experience and are former athletes in other sports. Their strength and value to the program is based around stunting and crowd leading and most will probably never tumble in the 4 years they are part of the college spirit program.

 

[Keep_Believing]

Jerry is a stunter not a tumbler and very valued on both his NCA College team and all star team. I had to throw that in there. LOL

 

[icequeen]

Jerry is a stunter not a tumbler and very valued on both his NCA College team and all star team. I had to throw that in there. LOL

I think what the poster meant and it’s been brought up before. EX: Almost any person from Kentucky blue squad could try out and probably make any NCA squad, Louisville was the example at the time but not every kid from Louisville can make Kentucky.


Reason being is that Kentucky requires their cheerleaders to actually tumble and stunt, why most NCA school will take a kid who can stunt really well but with not tumbling skills and vice verse.


ETA: My post isn’t a knock on any NCA squad.