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That’s true. CEA does have a huge social media presence. But so do other LAG teams? CA has a YT channel, and WCSS has the Twinkles doc that people still talk about. They both have their fair share of prominent “cheerlebrities” (Panthers had the incredible redhead, and WCSS had the Twinkles alumni). And I don’t see the same level of hate geared toward them. You go on these cheer Twitter accounts and SE/CEA is ALL they talk about, and it’s usually bad. People don’t like their Worlds athletes on their Summit teams. People don’t like the behavior of an ex-athlete who isn’t even on the team anymore. There’s always something to say about SE.

And yeah, I understand the merits of playing it safe choreo wise. But in SE’s case it’s almost like their choreo hasn’t changed even though the score sheet very much has. It’s like a refusal to adapt. Those full squad high/high stretches look great and would’ve dominated in 2013, but it’s just not enough anymore.
Not sure how you can compare CEA's social media presence to a mostly inactive YT channel and a documentary from over 8 years ago, but ok.

CEA as a gym has a very long history of doing things that rub people the wrong way, way more so than any other gym that I can think of. Some fans stay loyal, while others have haven't and are vocal to point those things out.
 
Not sure how you can compare CEA's social media presence to a mostly inactive YT channel and a documentary from over 8 years ago, but ok.

CEA as a gym has a very long history of doing things that rub people the wrong way, way more so than any other gym that I can think of. Some fans stay loyal, while others have haven't and are vocal to point those things out.[/QUOTE]
One of my cp's has plenty of stories from the warm up room where a negative impression was left, to put it mildly. Can't say enough good things about other big name programs though CA, Cali, Stingrays, Twisters (I'm leaving so many out) but those always stick out in a positive way in person.
 
One of my cp's has plenty of stories from the warm up room where a negative impression was left, to put it mildly. Can't say enough good things about other big name programs though CA, Cali, Stingrays, Twisters (I'm leaving so many out) but those always stick out in a positive way in person.
I don't typically fault athletes, but sometimes a pattern can definitely develop. But even just things the gym/coaches have done over the years. Excessive use of crossovers to the point of having to have Summit tryouts because you have too many, putting higher level athletes on lower level teams always gets me, putting very skilled athletes on multiple Worlds teams just to secure a bid, then replace them (thankfully that has been diminished due to the rules), etc. Clearly it works for them, but being so open about everything and putting yourselves out there all the time will open you up for more scrutiny when you do things that many people just don't agree with.
 
I don't typically fault athletes, but sometimes a pattern can definitely develop. But even just things the gym/coaches have done over the years. Excessive use of crossovers to the point of having to have Summit tryouts because you have too many, putting higher level athletes on lower level teams always gets me, putting very skilled athletes on multiple Worlds teams just to secure a bid, then replace them (thankfully that has been diminished due to the rules), etc. Clearly it works for them, but being so open about everything and putting yourselves out there all the time will open you up for more scrutiny when you do things that many people just don't agree with.
Dang you are fast! I edited my initial post a few minutes after posting bc I generally just try and keep positive but yes there can be a culture that allows certain patterns to develop. It certainly works for them but one can’t be shocked when that culture develops detractors.
 
Dang you are fast! I edited my initial post a few minutes after posting bc I generally just try and keep positive but yes there can be a culture that allows certain patterns to develop. It certainly works for them but one can’t be shocked when that culture develops detractors.
Haha, sorry I fixed it ;)
 
CEA has the presence cause they have put themselves out there more then any other large team, long before anyone else. between the MG era and having a cnn short done with the team, to having multiple cheerleaders capitalize off the cheerlebrity status. Their coach is also very vocal compared to most others imo. And then adding a whole youtube channel.
have other teams had the same scenario over the years yes, but most have come and gone in and out of the spotlight so to speak, where i feel SE has somehow also had ways to push themselves into that light whether intentional or not.
 
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Not sure how you can compare CEA's social media presence to a mostly inactive YT channel and a documentary from over 8 years ago, but ok.

CEA as a gym has a very long history of doing things that rub people the wrong way, way more so than any other gym that I can think of. Some fans stay loyal, while others have haven't and are vocal to point those things out.

The CA YT channel has been inundated with AGT videos since the summer and sneak peeks even more recently. So I wouldn’t call it inactive?

Somebody made a follow-up video to Twinkles as recently as March.

My point being that all these teams leave a social media footprint.
 
The CA YT channel has been inundated with AGT videos since the summer and sneak peeks even more recently. So I wouldn’t call it inactive?

Somebody made a follow-up video to Twinkles as recently as March.

My point being that all these teams leave a social media footprint.
Yes, but the level of social media activity is not even remotely as close to CEAs over the last 10ish years.
Either way my main point still remains. When you continually do controversial things that people don't agree with, and do it openly, you are going to naturally be criticized more.
 
I don't typically fault athletes, but sometimes a pattern can definitely develop. But even just things the gym/coaches have done over the years. Excessive use of crossovers to the point of having to have Summit tryouts because you have too many, putting higher level athletes on lower level teams always gets me, putting very skilled athletes on multiple Worlds teams just to secure a bid, then replace them (thankfully that has been diminished due to the rules), etc. Clearly it works for them, but being so open about everything and putting yourselves out there all the time will open you up for more scrutiny when you do things that many people just don't agree with.

Being from Texas our favorite gyms are CA, WE, Prodigy, and SOT, but we also like CEA.

A positive to double-teaming/crossing over, the majority of kids who fly also get to base on a different team. I think that is great for so many reasons. They experience being successful and enjoying cheer outside of flying. It gives them a different perspective. I see so many girls who make flying their whole identity and they have zero experience basing. When they go through puberty and flying ends they are depressed. Many form eating disorders to try and remain a flyer or return to flying.

And CEA has successful teams from different locations. SSX has Gold medals. Smoex had a great shot of medaling if Worlds wouldn't have gotten canceled. My daughter loves Lady Lux and Code Black.
 
Being from Texas our favorite gyms are CA, WE, Prodigy, and SOT, but we also like CEA.

A positive to double-teaming/crossing over, the majority of kids who fly also get to base on a different team. I think that is great for so many reasons. They experience being successful and enjoying cheer outside of flying. It gives them a different perspective. I see so many girls who make flying their whole identity and they have zero experience basing. When they go through puberty and flying ends they are depressed. Many form eating disorders to try and remain a flyer or return to flying.

And CEA has successful teams from different locations. SSX has Gold medals. Smoex had a great shot of medaling if Worlds wouldn't have gotten canceled. My daughter loves Lady Lux and Code Black.
There are positives to crossing over, I'm not denying that. But IMO there is a point where it becomes excessive, and filling lower level teams with Worlds athletes is definitely not something I am fond of. Though the latter has been decreased in recent years due to rule changes that were for the better.

Smoex has medalled before and they have been successful at other locations, never said or implied otherwise. Not sure if that part was directed to what I said.

I will say the last 4-5 years or so have been better, mostly due to changes in rules that eliminated many things they had been doing.
Not intending to put them down, they are a very talented gym, just trying to put out where people may be coming from. Not my cup of tea, but it works for some people.
 
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