All-Star Number Of Crossovers/stacking Teams

[AndrewSky]

Just want to know opinions on how many crossovers you think is acceptable to have on a team.
Personal experience, my coed 4 competed against a team with 11 level 5 athletes.
Lately at competitions, all I've heard are people complaining about the number of advanced athletes on lower level teams. Just throwing it out there for conversation

 

[cheerheart4life]

I know it's hard for small gyms, but I LOVE to see level four teams where there are no crossovers from level 5!!

 

[WCMAN]

I agree its out of control.I watched a gym on Saturday that has about 80 CPs in their gym field 7 teams. I believe 2 of them were large. Its silly. I had to laugh because the flyers on all their teams did the same stunts. Then I thought it over and it was probably the same flyers..LOL. I do agree with stacking a team too. Its wrong. If your flying Sr 4 then you should not be flying youth2. The same for tumbling. Advanced tumblers make lower level tumbling look effortless and clean. Bottom line, its not right. I say 3 crossovers per team Max. That's my opinion.

 

[AndrewSky]

I know it's hard for small gyms, but I LOVE to see level four teams where there are no crossovers from level 5!!

The gym which I'm at has no level 5 crossovers on our Senior Coed 4. We're legit with or without them!

 

[Diamondlifex2]

I know from personal experience my cp is level 4 has crossed over to a lower level as fill in for someone that has gotten hurt on a few occasions. But I have also seen a level 4 crossover to level 5 due to injuries So I believe if the need is there go with it.

 

[aggie1983]

Maisha
I don't think anyone has a problem with fill ins when the unexpected occurs: illness, injury, etc. I think the problem is when gyms from the get go have higher level athletes doing double duty on lower level teams as a way of "stacking" that lower level team. I think I can safely say most here don't like it or think it "fair". I'm sure I'll be quickly corrected if I'm wrong.

 

[PullandPray23]

how do we feel about crossovers on the same level essentially...I know last year a lot of girls from cheer express sr silver c/o'ed to be on cheer express so5

 

[Seeker30]

can i cross over my varsity to j,v . . . . .

 

[TwistersPride]

from my perspective- crossovers can make or break a small gym. This is our first year using crossovers and it has made us so much more successful. We do not use crossovers to sandbag, and no one crosses more than one level up or down, but we do use them to fill in teams. For example, we had a small number of kids who are a solid Youth 1 skill wise. Instead of pushing them onto the next higher team- Junior 2, we filled in the youth team with Mini 2 crossovers. it's worked out great.

 

[Cheer_Explosion_Coach]

This is very ironic, but I just finished my Spirit Post article about crossovers this morning. It should be released tomorrow or Weds at the latest. Please read it and tell me what you think. I believe that crossovers and the lack of regulations on crossovers is something that is holding all star cheerleading back from being considered a legitimate sport.

 

[azmom]

My daughter competed this weekend and one team had so many crossovers from Minis on up. It was interesting because this was the third time we have seen them this season and their teams keep getting bigger and better. I guess they are done now because most of their teams came in first. I guess winning at all cost is what they feel is most important. There was also a few teams that decided that they would have a better chance it if they went down a level. It was an interesting day.

 

[CHEERZ]

I wish the USASF would do something about this. It's within the rules, but seriously in what other sport can you compete on different levels with the same club? You don't see Varsity football players go down to JV to win. You don't see Level 9 gymnasts compete on Level 4 to get another medal. But what bugs me more is under age/over age athletes competing. I saw some minis today that I would have said were well over 8. I also saw a girl on a junior team that was trying to coverup a tat!

 

[Cheer_Explosion_Coach]

The rules produced by the USASF are determined by the electorate meaning the members make the decisions. If you are adamant about crossovers becoming regulated then become a member of the USASF and vote. I will continue to raise this issue every chance I get because without being regulated, crossovers have been taken out of context and are being abused severely. Crossovers in it's presence state is hurting small gyms more than helping us.


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[quitthedrama]

There are several threads on this, and it is my biggest pet peeve. I have seen level 2 teams with more than half the team crossed to a level 5, and I have seen "half year" teams made up entirely of full year athletes. As wrong as it is, until USASF steps up and makes a real crossover rule (the one the passed this year is a joke) it will continue to happen. I'm a big fan of NCA for this reason.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

The rules produced by the USASF are determined by the electorate meaning the members make the decisions. If you are adamant about crossovers becoming regulated then become a member of the USASF and vote. I will continue to raise this issue every chance I get because without being regulated, crossovers have been taken out of context and are being abused severely. Crossovers in it's presence state is hurting small gyms more than helping us.


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It's not really as simple as becoming a member and voting - like you said it's the electorate. The member gyms vote on how they think the decisions should be made and then the USASF does whatever it gosh darn well pleases anyway. And no I'm not a member obviously, but I do remember last year everyone getting quite upset over the rules - and how they all voted and then we waited for what felt like 6 months for the USASF people to finish arguing about the new rules before we could actually see them. Instead of just going with the vote. Why have the vote in the first place???


Now as for the original topic, I HATE crossovers that are there for the purpose of stacking a team for skill level. However, I don't think this happens nearly as often as people think. Are there a LOT of athletes crossing down onto lower level teams? Yes. But more often I think it's to change the division of that team (from small to large or all girl to coed) then to stack the team skill-wise. Or just to make the team more competitive in their division. For example a large team with 24 kids might add 8 crossovers to make it 32 - much better looking on the floor IMO.

For example we have some kids on our Level 5 team that cross over to my daughters Senior 3 team (which is the lowest level senior team we have). But it's to make the team have 32 kids and Coed. Also, it's not the girls that are working doubles that are crossing over. It's kids who are probably actually Level 4 (which we don't have), so they are getting the best of both worlds - a team that they are truly the best, and a team where they are learning higher level skills. I don't consider this "stacking" - I consider it making our team competitive - since we also have some level 1 and 2 kids on there!

(***sorry if this doesn't make sense...I'm going on about 2 hours of sleep! )