All-Star Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation

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we all know there are the mega gyms, like both CA's, CEA, ACE, WC, MT, Stingrays etc. but i would love if some gym owners/reps could post the actual number of kids in their program. I know Brandon, Rockstar, GBE, Cheer Force, etc. are all amazing, but in my mind at least, I think they have smaller programs. I know they aren't small and if any of those programs were in D2 I'm sure someone would be mad because they are so good... but i don't recall that many other teams coming out of the gym.

say 250 is our number. how many programs that attended worlds last year had over 250?

and if this really takes off, do you see smaller gyms cutting kids to stay D2 in our future?
 
say 250 is our number. how many programs that attended worlds last year had over 250?

and if this really takes off, do you see smaller gyms cutting kids to stay D2 in our future?

I think if you have that many kids, the likelihood of you being RIGHT on that number is tough. You would probably be cutting multiple kids, possibly even a team. Are you willing to lose out on that money?

I think way more gyms cut kids to get to 75 and remain in small gym. Really? You have 75 kids exactly every single year and win UCA Nationals? Mmmhmm... Getting rid of one or two kids is one thing, getting rid of 15-20 is another.
 
I don't think if you have multiple locations it should automatically put you in d1. However I do think you should take in the total count of athletes from both locations to determine whether you should be in d1 or not.


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I don't think if you have multiple locations it should automatically put you in d1. However I do think you should take in the total count of athletes from both locations to determine whether you should be in d1 or not.


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Why shouldn't multiple locations take you out of D2?
 
Would this solution seem better - take the amount of worlds age athletes into consideration, so anyone that is of worlds age each year determines your division? It seems to complicated to me, but at the same time, this could help with those who have a lot of tinys and mini... so basically each year you are looking at how many athletes ages 12 and up. Make the cut-off like 80 or less along w/ no more then 2 worlds elligible teams D2 and all others D1?

I don't know how well I thought that out but it just came to mind and I babbled.
 
Personally, I'm not a fan of the idea. When a team receives a bid and qualifies for worlds, they know they are going into one of the largest competitions in the world that only sports the best of the best. It shouldn't be the "best of the big gyms" or "best of the small gyms". I understand trying to give the small gyms more recognition but who's to say that a small gym won't beat out a larger one. Just my opinion
 
Why shouldn't multiple locations take you out of D2?
I don't think it really matters, if you have multiple locations, chances are your numbers are going to be high enough to put you in d1 but for that random gym out there with two locations with hardly any kids.we have two locations but our numbers would put us in d1 so this is just an example. One location of ours is mainly gymnastics, dance, preschool, and classes. We have a couple teams but we are also under the large gym umbrella anyways. I am sure there are gyms out there who are small that have locations that are mainly gymnastics but are under the same name. Should that be counted because you have a different building to fit your gymnastics equipment?


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I don't think it really matters, if you have multiple locations, chances are your numbers are going to be high enough to put you in d1 but for that random gym out there with two locations with hardly any kids.we have two locations but our numbers would put us in d1 so this is just an example. One location of ours is mainly gymnastics, dance, preschool, and classes. We have a couple teams but we are also under the large gym umbrella anyways. I am sure there are gyms out there who are small that have locations that are mainly gymnastics but are under the same name. Should that be counted because you have a different building to fit your gymnastics equipment?


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If you have the same name on the building and are allowed to use kids for each locations team between the two then I don't think you should be D2.
 
okay - so i'm attempting to answer my own questions here... **disclaimer** all numbers estimations

looks like Brandon has 13 teams this year if all are small and fully rostered, they'd be around 260 (though i know White is medium so i'll say 270)
Rockstar also has 13 teams this year, which again is give or take 270
GBE only has 7 teams, ~140
South Elite has 9 potential teams listed ~180
MAC's had 10 last year ~200, but they technically have 2 locations
HotCheer 10 teams ~200
I didn't realize CheerForce had 5 locations, so i'll take them off of my original list

so if 250 is the golden number, definitely interesting. though i still stand by my thought that they shouldn't be allowed to "play up" and go D1 to keep all winners prestigious. if they can play up, i'd wager that all of these gyms would choose to move up.
 
Why shouldn't multiple locations take you out of D2?
because like in @Retiredl5cheer the gym had 125 kids TOTAL between their two locations. i think if teams like this are forced into d1, we're kind of defeating the purpose. its going to be all the big named gyms, plus random gyms with satellite locations that should be in d2
 
If you are winning in D2, don't you think most gyms would want to try their luck against the major players always? Even if you keep winning D2, everyone still knows it's D2. It's not the same.
I don't, actually. Now, it depends on the gym itself- but if the point of doing this is to make them feel competitive and like they can win, why would you EVER want to give that up? It would depend on who qualifies for D2- if the top of D2 is scraping the bottom of D1, I can't imagine they'd ever switch- though it depends on the draw of their marketing. The only 'we' that would know the difference, really, are the people on this board and some of the more hardcore people who aren't. Granted, our numbers are growing, but even then we're not the whole industry. Some people might very well think D2 is just the separation of teams, and has nothing to do with competitiveness.

Although in the other discussion- I feel like you'd need the actual size of all the gyms competing at worlds last year to get a feel for how things would stack up. I'm assuming these splits are only for the small/small coed divisions, as the rest really aren't deep enough to make a huge impact.

ETA: My first paragraph supposition was concluded using the option that multiple worlds teams pulled you into D1, no matter size. Or that getting on the podium in the last year would do the same.
 
I like the suggestion that if you can field more than one Worlds team you should be in D1.

except not every gym should be fielding more than one. they may bring more than one team, but if neither team is maxing out, what's the point? i'll save that rant for elsewhere. but i guess you're right. if they bring 40+ kids to worlds, then they can go D1. maybe that would even discourage having scary, train wreck teams there just because.
 
except not every gym should be fielding more than one. they may bring more than one team, but if neither team is maxing out, what's the point? i'll save that rant for elsewhere. but i guess you're right. if they bring 40+ kids to worlds, then they can go D1. maybe that would even discourage having scary, train wreck teams there just because.
Some of these gyms should not even be fielding ONE Worlds team let alone two - but agreed, a rant for another thread. If a gym wants to claim they have 40+ senior level 5 athletes, then I say let them compete with the big dogs.
 
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