All-Star Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation

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Hells bells I never said I wanted to be a mega gym or that others cheated to become one. There was a need in our community for a quality all star program and we fill it. That is all.

And yes, the food here is better than anyplace else in the world :)

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And that is what cheer needs. If the only way to feel accomplished is yo win Worlds you will feel disssapointed. But Worlds D2 could be a way for your gym in your situation to feel more competitve and better your business.
 
And that is what cheer needs. If the only way to feel accomplished is yo win Worlds you will feel disssapointed. But Worlds D2 could be a way for your gym in your situation to feel more competitve and better your business.

Thank you, I think so too. And that is exactly why I support this idea.


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Thank you, I think so too. And that is exactly why I support this idea.


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I have never seen a division competitive past team #10 (meaning after team 10 the chances of winning even with the top ten teams dropping is low enough to not consider a relative threat). So any team after the top ten could be in a different division vying for a top spot in its own division. Something to consider.

Do I want 500 divisions where everyone wins? No.

But 30 divisions with 10 teams where everyone is a drag out fight to win that spot is fine with me.
 
I think for me, right now if you win Worlds, you call yourself a "World Champion". Split the divisions and you become a "Worlds (registered TM) champion".

Sure 3-year old BH SM might not know the difference when it's plastered all over a gym's website. But i think for the athletes, if you split the divisions at Worlds, you will find that an NCA win will become that much more prestigious because it is a win against all of the teams. Then again maybe NCA will start splitting level 5 divisions too.
 
I think for me, right now if you win Worlds, you call yourself a "World Champion". Split the divisions and you become a "Worlds (registered TM) champion".

Sure 3-year old BH SM might not know the difference when it's plastered all over a gym's website. But i think for the athletes, if you split the divisions at Worlds, you will find that an NCA win will become that much more prestigious because it is a win against all of the teams. Then again maybe NCA will start splitting level 5 divisions too.

If NCA starts requiring bids to attend their competition it might come to that. It's because Worlds is so "exclusive" and requires bids that more people want to go than any other event.


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I'm genuinely curious: do you feel, as a gym, that you are the exception or the rule? Do you think your goal (of having the drive to do well/better each year) is common for gyms of your size/skill level (even from 2010 to 2011)?

It seems the general conception here is that the difference between the small, medium, large, and mega gyms is the focus at/for/in pursuit of Worlds and a Worlds Title. That for some small gyms, it's 'Get to Worlds for the "experience" every year', but what they do with that "experience" as a gym is...well, I just don't know. DO they do anything with that 'experience' except use it as a marketing tool for new clients? Do the kids come back saying 'I want to do better next year', or as the idea seems to be here, 'Well that was a fun cheer-cation, yay Florida and my new tan, on to next season!'

Your gym sounds like the type that says 'We want to be the best we can at each level and be better every year.' I remember how proud everyone was of your accomplishments at that particular Worlds. The fire they came back with was exceptional- however, what I'm worried about (and what most people seem to be worried about), is that you are the exception. That creating this division will cave to the people who look at worlds as a fun vacation-y event that just happens to be about cheer. That might not be true, but that's the vibe I get. I'd have to seriously sit down and crunch numbers, watch videos, and review placements from the last 5 worlds or so (2007/8- 2013) and see where the divide is.

We may be an exception, I don't know. But I assume if I am an exception to the rule, there has to be others.

This thread has developed some "food for my thought" - IF they offered a Worlds for gyms with under 120 athletes.... Would I attend that division or would I division up...? I can't answer that?
 
If NCA starts requiring bids to attend their competition it might come to that. It's because Worlds is so "exclusive" and requires bids that more people want to go than any other event.


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But that's the thing...Worlds really isn't that exclusive. Pretty much every team can get a bid if they plan correctly.

I think "exclusive" feeling comes because you have to work to become level 5 to attend (and NCA is open to all)

I do have a question about bids... Does the EP get something (more than the feeling that they picked the right team) if a team they sponsor wins? Is there a monetary reward or ability to give more bids or ???
 
If NCA starts requiring bids to attend their competition it might come to that. It's because Worlds is so "exclusive" and requires bids that more people want to go than any other event.


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Others may certainly have a different view, but the bid part does not play much of a factor in the "prestige" of Worlds for us. For us, it is all about two primary things:
  1. The vast majority, if not all, of the heavy hitters are there.
  2. Currently, most people in the industry consider it the most exclusive & difficult title to win.
Those two factors are actually pretty heavily intertwined and dependent on the other. They are the primary reasons that we go, despite our opinions of the date, the scheduling, the venue, the value, and the vague & unrefined scoring/judging/information-sharing process.
 
But that's the thing...Worlds really isn't that exclusive. Pretty much every team can get a bid if they plan correctly.

I think "exclusive" feeling comes because you have to work to become level 5 to attend (and NCA is open to all)

I do have a question about bids... Does the EP get something (more than the feeling that they picked the right team) if a team they sponsor wins? Is there a monetary reward or ability to give more bids or ???

And NCA is open to all L5 teams but there aren't nearly as many of them at NCA as there are at Worlds. Just winning that bid to go (no matter how super easy it is to get one) is used as a marketing tool.


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I don't know how anyone else views Worlds, but the bid part does not play much of a factor in the "prestige" of Worlds. For us, it is all about two primary things:
1. The fact that the vast majority, if not all, of the heavy hitters are there. 2. The fact that, currently, most people in the industry consider it the most exclusive & difficult title to win. Those two factors are actually pretty heavily intertwined and dependent on the other.

Those are the primary reasons that we go, despite our displeasure with the date, the scheduling, the venue, the value, & the unrefined/vague scoring/judging/information-sharing process.

And those are the best reasons for going. Other gyms that aren't of CA caliber don't see it that way. A gym near us offered an EP $25,000 under the table if they'd just give them the bid. That's all they wanted was a bid. That's it.


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This may be a stupid question, but can anyone explain this to me? I know Cheersport had division 1 & 2 for small senior and small senior coed this past season. I understand worlds is supposed to be "exclusive", but how is this any different? I don't remember anyone making a big deal about how team XXX that won in D2 didn't deserve a jacket any less than the team that won in D1.


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