All-Star Champions League Updates ( Movie Spoilers )

[kristenthegreat]

Everyone is so offended by the "best practice wear" and such awards, am I the only one who isn't? I guarantee those teams don't think it's as big of an honor as actually winning the competition. I want to be considered a sport as much as anyone else but those awards being given at one competition aren't going to keep us from becoming one. Is my school not educational because we do awards like that for the seniors? No...because it's a side thing. Everyone recognizes that it's not saying you're a better team and is not related to the athleticism at all. Just on the side a fun award.


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I feel like if they were going to do a 'fun' side award, I'd want something less...celebrity? Best emotion I don't understand in any capacity (as how do you not have emotion performing), but best practice wear just alludes to the side of the industry I don't mind discussing, but feel kinda icky 'rewarding'. If it were 'best stunt save', 'best post tumbling pass reaction' 'most intense hair whip' I'd be more on board.

 

[cheerislife]

I don't mind the awards. I'm still curious as to why they didn't let anyone see the scoresheets after.



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[Angelica]

Ha ha. I guess you've never been to Reach The Beach......

You are right I haven't and if it last till after midnight as well that's a shame.

 

[CharlotteASMom]

But it'd be great to find a way to unite EVERYONE..

This was my favorite part of your post so I only quoted this to save space.

And just to add...Since when did these teams need an event to make them feel even more special? Those kids at CL are some of the most talked about, photographed/video taped, and publicized kids in Allstars. What more do they need to feel special? Because you better believe there are kids at some gym that you've never heard of that practice just as many hours and give up just as much of their social life that do it because they love the sport without expecting to be famous.



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[kristenthegreat]

I don't mind the awards. I'm still curious as to why they didn't let anyone see the scoresheets after.



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Coaches have everything, including breakdowns (if I read one of BlueCat's posts correctly).

 

[12stepCheermom]

@Just-a-Mom I'm assuming you used my post as a jumping off point since the majority of it did not apply to me.

1) not a fan of the cheerlebrity craze but it's really neither here not there for me. My kids aren't ones so it doesn't effect me. I'm only passionate that people maintain their sanity and not act like entitled idiots when those kids are supposed to be with their team. Pretty sure I've only ever posted that way since that's how I feel.

2) I've never commented that people who weren't there shouldn't respond. That basically defeats the purpose of a message board.

3) I never said the kids that were there "were the elite" at least I don't remember saying that. I do think they are elite athletes but they aren't the ONLY elite athletes. There are more that were not there.

4) I'm completely not in favor of the vanity awards, as I'm calling them, and think they were ridiculous. I was expecting the "best hair" award next and the group I was sitting with from multiple gyms were all making commentary to that effect. It was ridiculous.

5) I didn't say it was groundbreaking because it was fun for the kids. The groundbreaking part was the effort to establish some legitimate competition with the varsity machine.

6) I never said I was offended because people weren't "drooling" over the event. It makes no difference to me if people are for it or against it. I was merely giving my opinion that I think it has potential after they iron out the logistics. I'm not offended you're not in favor in the least.

7) and I'm clearly not mad it offended that people commented on the event at all. Isn't that what a message board is for?

The only comment of mine directed to you was the Facebook comment. I thought it was harsh. People (like me) use Facebook to keep our families and friends in touch with what's going on in their lives. I'm not trying to use social media to make my kid a cheerlebrity by posting a video...and it doesn't change my opinion about cheerlebrities one way or the other. Given the fact I tend to lock my social media down that wouldn't even be a feasible way to get that done if that was the intent. My kid had fun, he was dressed up and my mom wanted to see it since she couldn't attend. That's what I use social media for, to keep in touch with our extended family and friends.

But perhaps it's time to clean house in Facebook land again and clear out the people I don't know personally. There aren't many but that's been my standard and I let it slide with the flurry of requests that came from the parent board several months ago. I'd hate for people to think in pimping out my kid on my Facebook, so point taken.


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[Just-a-Mom]

@Just-a-Mom I'm assuming you used my post as a jumping off point since the majority of it did not apply to me.

7) and I'm clearly not mad it offended that people commented on the event at all. Isn't that what a message board is for?

The only comment of mine directed to you was the Facebook comment. I thought it was harsh. People (like me) use Facebook to keep our families and friends in touch with what's going on in their lives. I'm not trying to use social media to make my kid a cheerlebrity by posting a video...and it doesn't change my opinion about cheerlebrities one way or the other. Given the fact I tend to lock my social media down that wouldn't even be a feasible way to get that done if that was the intent. My kid had fun, he was dressed up and my mom wanted to see it since she couldn't attend. That's what I use social media for, to keep in touch with our extended family and friends.

But perhaps it's time to clean house in Facebook land again and clear out the people I don't know personally. There aren't many but that's been my standard and I let it slide with the flurry of requests that came from the parent board several months ago. I'd hate for people to think in pimping out my kid on my Facebook, so point taken.


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Yes sorry! It was originally started to you and then I just kept going. So it was just a jumping off point.

I probably should have said Twitter not Facebook in my original comment, because I do tend to think of Facebook as more for friends and family to keep up and twitter is more for showing the world how awesome you are. (General you, not you you) I have a few Facebook friends that were at this event and I didn't really find the videos themselves to be anything much. I really just genuinely think if you sent your kid parading down a red carpet and filmed it, then you probably don't hate the idea of making celebrities out of these kids as much as you say (again, general you not you 12step)

As I said, I don't even actually have a problem with people wanting their kids to be stars. I work at a performing arts center for God's sake - y'all got nothing on those moms.

But don't put your kid in an evening gown and a limo and send them down a red carpet... and then get on here and go ballistic about all the SMs who want their kids on higher levels. If you hold an event geared at saying, "Look how much more special my kid is than everyone else's!" then yes, people are going to consider that promoting cheerlebrity-ism.

There is a difference between being the best of the best and being elitist. This was definitely in the elitist and exclusionary category - right from the very beginning when it was announced.


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[ErinS]

And y'all can keep pointing out that we weren't there so we have no right to comment. I hope it's safe to assume that those of you saying that will never comment again on any event that you yourselves did not personally attend? Because I think it's funny that the people saying that the loudest are people that comment on ish they weren't at all the time.


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My statement referring to those commenting on the event and not being there was referring to those that commented about the results, logistics, set up etc about something they weren't there for first hand. They haven't seen not nary a video of a performance but already know it all. Aside from Cheerupdates and maybe a filtered instragram or two....what do people that weren't there truly know?

Any major event....NCA...Cheersport...The Majors... the videos are placed online by the time the kids exit the mat. So yes it makes sense for people not there to have an opinion on the scoring, the performances, the results etc immediately . There is clearly more transparency with those events because there is not major attempt to ban iphones and ipads or boost mobile devices like at the CL

You can think the prom was stupid. You can think the red carpet was stupid (although my real life high school prom did have a red carpet for the "senior walk").
You can think that the specialty awards are stupid (as they are...because at the end of the day what is having the best practice wear truly doing for your program)
I agree that the children competing at CL are the LAST people in this industry that need a way to feel more special
You can think that the whole event was just the elite making themselves feel more elite (Because it was).

But, at the end of the day none of us know what this movie is about. Are they going to focus on the prom? Are they going to focus on the specialty awards? Are they going to focus on how great these programs are and how the all star industry would cease to exist if this programs ceased to exist. How this programs are the alpha and the omega of the all star industry?

Are they going to focus on the routines that WE didn't SEE because we WEREN'T THERE? Is it going to make all star look awesome? Will it make all star look pompous and stupid? I mean we don't know. I don't know. I bought a ticket and hopefully I'll know by 10pm on Thursday.


But again. This is just me. I don't have any....cares..... to truly give about the prom to begin with. So I'm not really here to hem and haw about it. I just want to see what I was unable to see Saturday night.

Anyway Babwa Walters just announced on The View that shes leaving so I'm going to go feel sad and old about that.

 

[Weezy]

As someone who WAS NOT there and had to live vicariously thru Cheer Updates and other posters, I loved the whole concept of the event. I loved seeing the pictures and videos from the red carpet and the "prom". It looked like so much fun. All those athletes were grinning from ear to ear. And it was so nice to see them so dressed up and not in their "cheer wear". I also liked that the teams had booths with items to sell. Most of all I love, love, love that the winnings go to charity. I'm sure the inaugural event has lots of kinks to work out. What a great start though!

 

[BlueCat]

I don't mind the awards. I'm still curious as to why they didn't let anyone see the scoresheets after.

We got more post-event information & scores than any competition we have ever been to in 20 years. Every coach can see every scoresheet from every team. You can't really ask for more than that.

That was one of the biggest positives of the whole event for me.

 

[kristenthegreat]

Are they going to focus on the routines that WE didn't SEE because we WEREN'T THERE? Is it going to make all star look awesome? Will it make all star look pompous and stupid? I mean we don't know. I don't know. I bought a ticket and hopefully I'll know by 10pm on Thursday.

I expect a report by 12am sharp, Madame Librarian.

 

[12stepCheermom]

Yes sorry! It was originally started to you and then I just kept going. So it was just a jumping off point.

I probably should have said Twitter not Facebook in my original comment, because I do tend to think of Facebook as more for friends and family to keep up and twitter is more for showing the world how awesome you are. (General you, not you you) I have a few Facebook friends that were at this event and I didn't really find the videos themselves to be anything much. I really just genuinely think if you sent your kid parading down a red carpet and filmed it, then you probably don't hate the idea of making celebrities out of these kids as much as you say (again, general you not you 12step)

As I said, I don't even actually have a problem with people wanting their kids to be stars. I work at a performing arts center for God's sake - y'all got nothing on those moms.

But don't put your kid in an evening gown and a limo and send them down a red carpet... and then get on here and go ballistic about all the SMs who want their kids on higher levels. If you hold an event geared at saying, "Look how much more special my kid is than everyone else's!" then yes, people are going to consider that promoting cheerlebrity-ism.

There is a difference between being the best of the best and being elitist. This was definitely in the elitist and exclusionary category - right from the very beginning when it was announced.


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[Fiercecheermom]

After reading this thread, I have learned a few things both good and bad. I think the lack of "pre-competition info" really affected a lot of people's "mind set" for this competition (mine included).
1) Until this weekend, I did not know that the prize money went to charity. LOVE this idea!!!! This is something our youth can never get enough of. Take it one step further and allow the winners to go to their charity in person and present the check. It will
go a HUGE way to enforcing who/what these kids did this for. Can you imagine the looks on the children/administration if TGLC went in and met them all with that big check??? Now that is a video I would pay to see LOL!
2) LOVE the idea that the "practice round" was to get a raw score....as long as "overall impression" score could fluctuate. We all
know that the overall impression/dance scores increase when a team feels confident about their performance.
3) I get that a lot of kids miss their proms...that is part of life...life is about making hard choices. All of our athletes have missed
proms, sleepovers, dates, weddings, siblings events, etc. By all means, have the "CL Prom" , parents can certainly film their
kids, but don't make it like a "red carpet / pre Oscars" show. IMO that just again promotes the cheerlebrity ideal that so many
are "claiming" they abhor. As a parent, I would ABSOLUTELY want to photo/video my girl as I am not sure if she will ever
be able to go to a prom with Worlds/Worlds practices, etc. I will say that anyone who was at the All Stars last year might have
seen our girls having their own "Prom" on Saturday afternoon at the hotel after performing Saturday morning. They brought
dresses and had lunch as a team in the food court. I even received pictures of her and her teammates with some really nice
athletes from other gyms. It was a great bonding thing for the girls and a great way to meet others.
4) I still don't understand why some events can post scores/deductions and others choose not to. Until we have transparency,
we will all "side eye" unconventional results. If an EP is confident in their scoring, they should be confident in releasing those
scores.
5) For those who know me and have seen my posts before, I HATE seeing "subjective" awards like "best uniform" , etc.
There is a well known April comp we attended last year that gave those kind of awards out. This is a sport. We, who are involved in it, know that. By having "beauty pageant" awards included, we just hurt our own cause. Best "practice wear" just
promotes parents/athletes spending more money on an already crazy expensive sport. Most of our athletes are most
comfortable practicing in spandex and a tank top (usually one they have traded from a respected gym )
All in all, I definitely feel more positive toward this event than I did. I look forward to the changes they will make to better the event next year. I applaud those working to make this sport better, trying "new things" , promoting good sportsmanship, and exposing these athletes to charity through their sport. All new things take time to smooth out the "issues". I think CL has some great people behind it and will make it even better next year.

 

[cheernerd5678]

@Just-a-Mom I know smoed didn't go and stingrays didn't go. It seemed to me like either your team went or they didn't, not like "half our team is going and half isn't" now I wasn't there but that's just how it came across to me


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[ErinS]

I expect a report by 12am sharp, Madame Librarian.

You're definitely not going to be getting one from me personally, because this whole movie interferes with Grey's Anatomy and Scandal, so when I get home I will be watching those two shows and then going to bed.

I personally think that them airing this movie on a Thursday night is highly inconsiderate....like can we please discuss that?

But for everyone else that doesn't have their Thursday evenings already committed to Shonda Rhymes....please, please report as soon as you get home