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[justpeachy]

Anyways, that explanation still doesn't make sense for all those athletes. Some (kp for example) have l5 tumbling and stunting skills. There's not something to be "worked on" for all of them... They're just there to "stack" the team. Which is fine... But be honest about it. Not every single one of those kids on YE and GP is all around level 5... But don't pretend none of them are.

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Actually, she did say "all those athletes", implying that there are many level 5 athletes on this team, which is incorrect. It makes perfect sense.

 

[336Teal]

Anyways, that explanation still doesn't make sense for all those athletes. Some (kp for example) have l5 tumbling and stunting skills. There's not something to be "worked on" for all of them... They're just there to "stack" the team. Which is fine... But be honest about it. Not every single one of those kids on YE and GP is all around level 5... But don't pretend none of them are.


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KP is learning to base on GP.


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[fullinitup]

A lot of gyms aren't placing kids on level 2 teams anymore with just a hank backhand spring. You need to have bwo bhs specialty passes etc and good technique because you will get murdered at comp cuz everyone else is being smarter when placing kids cuz the scoresheet is requiring more and more as the years go by.


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[cheergirl09]

Because her tuck is going to be way easier for her and hopefully with better technique than a true level 3 athlete. I could do a level 2 routine so easily, but the actual level 2 athletes have to work harder and might not always hit their stuff because they haven't been doing backhandsprings for years like I have.


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I agree with you but then again I remember one time when I was on a L5 and had to fill in one weekend on our L3 team because of an injury and let me tell you that L3 routine kicked my butt. My body was so conditioned to do the same L5 tumbling passes that when it came time to step back and do L3 speciality passes and combo passes etc it was much harder for me LOL. I was definitely more winded at the end of the L3 routine than I was my normal L5 routine.


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[sisdog]

It's a lot different putting a senior or junior team down to sandbag because they are older and they are put more to work on the original level they are on. On a youth level 5 although, most of the don't have fulls, just simply layouts. So I somewhat agree with cea's philosophy.

EX: A junior level 4 has all abilities on that team, but the gym wants there team to go down to small junior level 2 (I know this from experience ) so they can win big comp. This is not the right thing to do, because winning in cheerleading is NOT everything.

But cea's concept I can agree with because they are youth aged kids and are still learning. I've seen that team as of last year and they've got mad skills, but if pay attention they are a handful who should be on level 4 or 3.


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[Fiercecheermom]

My two cents is this...to me, "sandbagging" is a team that is competitive at a level and decides to "cheer down" to another lower level for a competition. They could be doing this to win a ring, jacket, title, whatever...it is still sandbagging IMO. When a team is designed to be a certain level and continues to compete at that level, it is perfectly fine. As others have said youth level 5 teams are usually comprised of good tiny tumblers, small fliers who probably need to work on body control, and larger girls who base well with less tumbling. By putting them all on one team at a less stressful level, they can work on technique and maybe they might have a little fun too.

 

[cheernerd5678]

Actually, she did say "all those athletes", implying that there are many level 5 athletes on this team, which is incorrect. It makes perfect sense.

All. As in the entirety. As in every single one of them. As in it doesn't apply to every athlete that crosses, only some of them.


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[dawgshow]

Actually, she did say "all those athletes", implying that there are many level 5 athletes on this team, which is incorrect. It makes perfect sense.

So you're saying YE is a jank team made up with many kids who aren't L5?
Face it. CSP and most of the parents involved knew that there would be this backlash. It's no different from the backlash Showstoppers get/got. The decision was made and while nothing that is being done is illegal, there are many who think it's wrong. Hopefully the industry will soon realize that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck and change the rules to stop the madness.


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[justpeachy]

So you're saying YE is a jank team made up with many kids who aren't L5?
Face it. CSP and most of the parents involved knew that there would be this backlash. It's no different from the backlash Showstoppers get/got. The decision was made and while nothing that is being done is illegal, there are many who think it's wrong. Hopefully the industry will soon realize that if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's a duck and change the rules to stop the madness.


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No I am not saying YE is a jank team. I think everyone can agree that YE is a well accomplished team.

I was referring to the number of true level 5 athletes on the GP team.

As far as the backlash, everyone is entitled to their opinion. I differ to my first post on this topic.

 

[dawgshow]

No I am not saying YE is a jank team. I think everyone can agree that YE is a well accomplished team.

I was referring to the number of true level 5 athletes on the GP team.

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Sorry, can't have it both ways. Either they're a well rounded L5 team or there are many (I believe those are the words that were said) kids who should be L3 or 4.
I just can't believe that people are really surprised by the outrage.



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[quitthedrama]

Regarding the backlash (I won't get in to the stacking as I've already posted my opinion on that). CEA promotes their gym and their teams more than any other gym out there. Just as with SE and CE, you are going to take the good with the bad when your choice is to post videos, pictures, tweets, on a regular basis. CSP seems to "thrive" on that (not a good word choice because I don't mean it as an insult but I can't think of something better right now), meaning I think she takes the feedback and uses it to better her teams. I understand that as a parent it may be tough to see the criticism, but it is what CEA does, and if they are going to post all over social media then they are going to get talked about, and it won't always be positive. The fact that the GP coaches have not exactly handled themselves professionally on social media is not helping and has definitely had me side-eyeing the team more so than the stacking at this point.

 

[Just-a-Mom]

Actually, she did say "all those athletes", implying that there are many level 5 athletes on this team, which is incorrect. It makes perfect sense.

Sorry - I really did read it about 10 times. I don't know why I didn't see it. You are correct.

(Although I definitely see her meaning completely differently than you.)

@quitthedrama yes. Everything you just said.

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[336Teal]

Sorry, can't have it both ways. Either they're a well rounded L5 team or there are many (I believe those are the words that were said) kids who should be L3 or 4.
I just can't believe that people are really surprised by the outrage.

First of all, GP is not made up entirely of YE kids. In fact, more than 2/3rds of the kids that are on GP were on a Y2 or Mini2/3 last year (many are brand new to the program as well). Just because YE is a 'well rounded level 5 team' does not mean that ALL of the athletes that are crossing from YE to GP are included in that statistic. YE does have many kids who are on the team because they bring one specific thing to the team. Their height, their jumps, their ability to base, or sometimes just their heart and love of the sport. One kid may be a beast of a backspot and doesn't have a handspring. One kid could base someone twice her size but has a tumbling block on a tuck that she just can't seem to shake. As I've said before, I can completely vouch for this because my kid is one of them. Of the small number of YE kids that are crossing to GP, I'd say that 95% of them fall into one of these above type categories. Do all of them? No. Do most of them? Absolutely.

Of the handful of YE kids that are crossing to GP, I'm not going to sit here and list them out, discussing their strengths and weaknesses, what strengths they have and what level they are in everything they do. We know these kids. We see them every day, in person. We watch them struggle. We watch them learn. We know what they're capable of and what they're not capable of. Just because you see them in a JTV video on Y5 doesn't somehow make you an expert on their skillset.

I really don't see why this is such a difficult concept.

 

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[justpeachy]

Just to clarify, I don't think anyone posting here is upset. Maybe some people are, but I can't speak for that.

I know that our gym chooses to do some things differently, and people will not always understand or agree. I'm happy to answer questions. We have nothing to hide nor any reason to do so.

Nobody has to agree with how our gym forms teams. We follow the rules. If it's not for you, we won't be offended if you cheer someplace else. If you are our competitor, bring your best teams because we will be bringing our best too.


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