All-Star Does Going First In A Division Really Affect Scoring/placement?

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@TheVipersMom talking about world bids, at a recent comp. they went to WE Generals, WE BlackOps, and Stars Royal Cobras. I don't remember, did those teams compete towards the start or end of the world team divisions?

* I did watch all the videos. In my opinion, all 3 of those teams deserved the paid bids at that comp.

If I recall correctly I think they were toward the beginning, I know royal cobras was because they went wayyy before our other worlds team and I believe generals did as well. Not sure about blops.


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I believe several factors affect your score to a degree and performance order is one of them. I believe the type of teams you go right after have an impact. There may be events where going early works out to be an advantage, but over time I believe you generally would prefer to go later. The judges' expectations of your team also play a role, although I believe that works against you as often as it helps.

All of that being said, by far the biggest impact on your score is clearly how well your team performs. I believe the judges generally do a good job given the tools they have to work with and the realities of scoring modern all star teams.

Regardless of what they say or believe, coaches (and parents and athletes) are incredibly biased when comparing their own teams to others. It is natural and it is human nature. Judges, too, may have their biases, but they are far less biased than most of the folks watching from the stands or the music table.
 
I believe several factors affect your score to a degree and performance order is one of them. I believe the type of teams you go right after have an impact. There may be events where going early works out to be an advantage, but over time I believe you generally would prefer to go later. The judges' expectations of your team also play a role, although I believe that works against you as often as it helps.

All of that being said, by far the biggest impact on your score is clearly how well your team performs. I believe the judges generally do a good job given the tools they have to work with and the realities of scoring modern all star teams.

Regardless of what they say or believe, coaches (and parents and athletes) are incredibly biased when comparing their own teams to others. It is natural and it is human nature. Judges, too, may have their biases, but they are far less biased than most of the folks watching from the stands or the music table.

I love how you worded this!


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When comparative scoring is involved it 100% counts and going later and or last would be better. Although in saying that if a team was clearly on top that day performance order wouldn't matter. Personally, my team has won going first and last in fairly large divisions so do what you want with that information.
 
Parts of the routine are scored on technique and if X amount of the team performs them. So that is not subjective. There are parts that are subjective. So for that, then yes performance order could be in play as some judges will be more conservative in the beginning. To me, this explains why some comps will reverse the order each day.
 
Parts of the routine are scored on technique and if X amount of the team performs them. So that is not subjective. There are parts that are subjective. So for that, then yes performance order could be in play as some judges will be more conservative in the beginning. To me, this explains why some comps will reverse the order each day.

It a range, and is subjective within that range. For example, 75% of the team performing standing tumbling gets you into the 4.5-5.0 range. A judge decides where to place you within that rage.


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That would be fun, getting a bunch of mathematicians to work this out.
You would ideally need a mix of statisticians, programmers, an industry insider or two, and cooperation from EPs and/or crowd sourcing of scoring data.

As I said previously, I believe competitive cheer is dramatically more complicated to quantify than baseball (and basketball and football). This would be a huge hindrance to gleaning useful insight. It is possible, but I think it would take a huge effort - more than you would think.
 
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