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Thinking about everyone marching today!

SL&AM said:

I completely agree with you.

It was interesting to hear an interview a handful of month's back from the Daily Show, a guest was talking about the electoral process and how each nominee is kind of selected above the pack and pushed for more than the others. If we look back at the past few elections, he said the Republicans were very much run like a corporation with seniority. Mitt Romney got the push because it was 'his turn', Bob Dole got the push because it was 'his turn'...type of system. And as we've seen, that system doesn't work. It's always been the Democrat side that went with the new 'popular' person they felt could win. This time though, it switched. Donald Trump grabbed this election by the...you get my point, while Clinton was treated almost like it was 'her turn'.

I don't ever want to see that out of Democrats again...ever. So yes, we need to look at 2020 now and begin to plan; also 2018 for the mid-term. The Republicans have too much control and not even balance and it's time to change that up a bit too.

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A TON of congressional seats are up for reelection in November 2018 (on the 6th, I believe). We can start rebalancing there.

LOL. When they grab low, we grab high? (Like, head or shoulders or something. Just realized how bad this could sound without this post script, LOL.)

cheerKT said:

Thinking about everyone marching today!

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It was honestly worth spending my last Saturday of Winter break on my feet for 10 hours. I'm just getting back home. I'm not the most emotional person, but I loved seeing faces of all races and backgrounds come out and support the cause. Yelling BLM. I'm from an extremely diverse and liberal town but that gave me chills.

Not to mention everyone I met today was sweet as can be. I'm so happy to have participated in this historic day. Yes we need to do more than march, and maybe it's the early 20s in me talking, but today felt so good. I hope I can get more of my peers to vote, for the local and state offices, to become better informed and to see that this world is bigger than us.

Okay time to sleep lol

cheerisloving said:

It was honestly worth spending my last Saturday of Winter break on my feet for 10 hours. I'm just getting back home. I'm not the most emotional person, but I loved seeing faces of all races and backgrounds come out and support the cause. Yelling BLM. I'm from an extremely diverse and liberal town but that gave me chills.

Not to mention everyone I met today was sweet as can be. I'm so happy to have participated in this historic day. Yes we need to do more than march, and maybe it's the early 20s in me talking, but today felt so good. I hope I can get more of my peers to vote, for the local and state offices, to become better informed and to see that this world is bigger than us.

Okay time to sleep lol

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Some of the signs I've seen on Twitter have me rolling.

Official OWECheer said:

Some of the signs I've seen on Twitter have me rolling.

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The signs were amazing. I can't even begin to discuss them all.

RobinSparkles said:

One picture that got me was a photo taken from behind some signs, showing that they were being held up with hockey sticks.
(And the "Here comes the General" sign with Carrie Fisher on it.)

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cheerisloving said:

The signs were amazing. I can't even begin to discuss them all.

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One of my favorites had a picture of Michelle's face at the inauguration and a caption: "Me too."

When Melania handed her that gift and she tried to immediately hand it off to someone else like 'what the heck am I supposed to do with this?' I cracked up. Her facial expressions that day were everything.

Another fantastic sign had a parody of 'My Neck, My Back' by Khia.

Official OWECheer said:

One of my favorites had a picture of Michelle's face at the inauguration and a caption: "Me too."

When Melania handed her that gift and she tried to immediately hand it off to someone else like 'what the heck am I supposed to do with this?' I cracked up. Her facial expressions that day were everything.

Another fantastic sign had a parody of 'My Neck, My Back' by Khia.

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Michelle had her vacation hair on. She was ready to go.

I saw one that said You're so Vain, you probably think this march is about you.

cheerisloving said:

Michelle had her vacation hair on. She was ready to go.

I saw one that said You're so Vain, you probably think this march is about you.

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LOL!

cheerisloving said:

The signs were amazing. I can't even begin to discuss them all.

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Out of the pictures I've seen, this has been my favorite. And tbh any other one that expressed this sentiment or asked where all of these allies have been at other marches. [emoji849]



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ErinS said:

Out of the pictures I've seen, this has been my favorite. And tbh any other one that expressed this sentiment or asked where all of these allies have been at other marches. [emoji849]



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You know what maybe because I where I was (DC), I saw a lot of signs about white women knowing their privilege, about checking privilege, I saw MANY with Black Lives Matter signs. I heard them yelling when they saw the mothers of the movement. Again, I know it's a long way to go, and I struggle with white feminism a lot- it's why I don't fan girl over Lena Dunham, why my Taylor Swift stanning is nothing. It's not just women, it's all women and the issues that impact women of those different backgrounds and their subcategories. That being said, my march experience however was very intersectional, 'cause trust I was watching.

I want to say that it was Melanie Campbell who said even though overwhelming majority of Black women voted for Trump, we march for "the 53 percent of white women who voted for that other guy.”

My school held an MLK assembly this past friday (jan 20th) and the ASB's goal was to discuss more than just racism, but how people are oppressed in other ways.
They had student speakers. The first was a Junior who rapped about discrimination. Then a senior talked about how as a freshman, someone shouted slurs at him. Then another student, a junior who is lesbian, talked about how her dad stopped talking to her after she came out. Then as the ASB students were introducing the final student, a senior transgender girl, many people stood up and left. Many of which were decked out in Trump flags, camo and one had a confederate flag hat. I can't even believe. The girl did an incredibly speech. It was actually her college essay, and she talked about what she has to deal with daily.
I have a class with her, we TA together. And she occasionally will come to class crying because someone said some rude things to her, and even once I had to walk her to our school's police officer's office to complain. He saw the whole thing, even confronted the rude student bullying her, and he did nothing about it. I'm not kidding when I say that this police officer told this girl "Well the kid said sorry, and thats all we can ask for. Apologizes will fix this"
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i just.
I live in Washington state.
A majority liberal state.
I live in a small town where some of the students speak with a southern accent.... I can't make this up.. because they live on a farm....

Many of the students at my high school took to twitter to call out these disrespectful people for walking out, some said how proud they were of the students who shared their stories, and some whine and complained about how "I believe in the bible, where there are only two genders" (yes I know this makes 0 sense to what ANY of the students were talking about...)

AND SOME had the audacity to COMPLAIN TO THEIR PARENTS... and those parents went to FACEBOOK to threaten the school, on how they shouldn't be talking about this in school, and that it isn't related to MLK at all, and that the students shouldn't have been forced to go to this assembly (they weren't. but they were all too stupid to pay attention to the morning announcements)

I don't know what to do, or how to help... I am just so sad and disappointed in our school..

cheerisloving said:

You know what maybe because I where I was (DC), I saw a lot of signs about white women knowing their privilege, about checking privilege, I saw MANY with Black Lives Matter signs. I heard them yelling when they saw the mothers of the movement. Again, I know it's a long way to go, and I struggle with white feminism a lot- it's why I don't fan girl over Lena Dunham, why my Taylor Swift stanning is nothing. It's not just women, it's all women and the issues that impact women of those different backgrounds and their subcategories. That being said, my march experience however was very intersectional, 'cause trust I was watching.

I want to say that it was Melanie Campbell who said even though overwhelming majority of Black women voted for Trump, we march for "the 53 percent of white women who voted for that other guy.”

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I think the point (and I know for sure my point) is that it's white women that should have been marching and that we as black women are tired of picking up the slack and marching for them. If you weren't saying BLM prior to 11/7 I don't care. If you weren't marching for Trayvon. I don't care. If you weren't out at the SC statehouse every day with me Summer '15. Then I don't care. I can count the number of "allies" on both hands at any March or rally I attended prior to 11/7.
People mainly showed up yesterday because NOW it hits close to home. Now it impacts you.

TBH one of the main issues was Planned Parenthood. If PP loses funding in the next two minutes it won't make a lick of difference to me, because while I certainly am a "proponent of women's health care" I also don't need PP personally and I think my perspective toward that issue reflects other people's perspective on issues that been at the forefront. It doesn't impact them so why care.



It's also been my experience that white women "check" their privilege and "acknowledge" their privilege all the while whining about being privileged. I know for sure first thing tomorrow, while 8th graders go to related art, one of my coworkers that went to D.C. will be in my library whining and complaining about her privilege and looking for my approval and I don't have it to give.

The fact of the matter is white women don't show up for black women. They just don't. And I'm not showing up for them. They might agree with issues, they might agree that BLM....but they don't show up.

I'm only 31 and I'm literally tired. I'm literally tired of race relations. I've gone to predominately white schools where people flat out only accepted me because I wasn't "that black". I've had my friend and former boss murdered in a church at the hands of a white supremacist. I sat in the court room rows behind the murderer 2 weeks ago. I listened to testimony and I watched him be physically unbothered. I've had strangers and friends of other races constantly talk about "the grace that was shown" "the forgiveness of the families " but they never want to talk about the climate here that contributed to the creation of Dylann Roofs.

So no. I don't care about marches. No I'm not showing up. Yes the pictures and signs were lovely. The turn out was great. But like MLKjr said "where do we go from here?" I love all people regardless of the color of their skin, but I'm done tiptoeing around feelings because of the color of people's skin

I've done my part and I'm not showing up for white feminist issues.

Honestly for better or for worse I think what we are going to see in this administration is a shift toward a lack of caring from traditionally democratic -socially -compassionate people such as myself toward a "not my problem " mindset.

Do you follow Kinfolk Kollective on Facebook. She articulates my sentiments better than I ever could.


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ErinS said:

I think the point (and I know for sure my point) is that it's white women that should have been marching and that we as black women are tired of picking up the slack and marching for them. If you weren't saying BLM prior to 11/7 I don't care. If you weren't marching for Trayvon. I don't care. If you weren't out at the SC statehouse every day with me Summer '15. Then I don't care. I can count the number of "allies" on both hands at any March or rally I attended prior to 11/7.

It's also been my experience that white women "check" their privilege and "acknowledge" their privilege all the while whining about being privileged. I know for sure first thing tomorrow, while 8th graders go to related art, one of my coworkers that went to D.C. will be in my library whining and complaining about her privilege and looking for my approval and I don't have it to give.

The fact of the matter is white women don't show up for black women. They just don't. And I'm not showing up for them. They might agree with issues, they might agree that BLM....but they don't show up.

I'm only 31 and I'm literally tired. I'm literally tired of race relations. I've gone to predominately white schools where people flat out only accepted me because I wasn't "that black". I've had my friend and former boss murdered in a church at the hands of a white supremacist. I sat in the court room rows behind the murderer 2 weeks ago. I listened to testimony and I watched him be physically unbothered. I've had strangers and friends of other races constantly talk about "the grace that was shown" "the forgiveness of the families " but they never want to talk about the climate here that contributed to the creation of Dylann Roofs.

So no. I don't care about marches. No I'm not showing up. Yes the pictures and signs were lovely. The turn out was great. But like MLKjr said "where do we go from here?" I love all people regardless of the color of their skin, but I'm done tiptoeing around feelings because of the color of people's skin

I've done my part and I'm not showing up for white feminist issues.





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This is the power of generations and perspectives. I understand where you're coming from. Like I said before maybe it's my age and environment. I was the only white girl in the class for the majority of my education, even while going to a minority majority high school. But in those experiences I had girls who wouldn't be my friend, hated me because I was black and lived in a just as nuclear, just as middle class-- if not more so, than them. I have people try to come at me with the Oreos, with the "you're not that black." But in those experiences I've been blessed with white friends who have never made me feel like their token. Who had to school their southern friends on privilege and don't complain but understand it. Who have said BLM. A district that said immigrant students were safe at school, ICE wasn't going to snatch their kids. Before he was even the official candidate. Or the white teachers who have championed for the black and brown students at my to go to college, to go to prom, not for the glory but because it's right.

I don't know who there had been an ally before the elections. I don't know her life nor did I care. What did I know was that I hadn't marched or done half as much as most black kids my age. But I decided yesterday, was the first step. I was hesitant because I had the same sentiments as you, is this about black women issues too? But I heard from women I admire like Kamala Harris and Maxine Waters. Angela Davis. Janet Mock. The mothers. Talking about us. I had to at 20 make the decision to not just talk the talk but walk the walk. I didnt care about why the woman next to me was there I did it for me.

cheerisloving said:

This is the power of generations and perspectives. I understand where you're coming from. Like I said before maybe it's my age and environment. I was the only white girl in the class for the majority of my education, even while going to a minority majority high school. But in those experiences I had girls who wouldn't be my friend, hated me because I was black and lived in a just as nuclear, just as middle class-- if not more so, than them. I have people try to come at me with the Oreos, with the "you're not that black." But in those experiences I've been blessed with white friends who have never made me feel like their token. Who had to school their southern friends on privilege and don't complain but understand it. Who have said BLM. A district that said immigrant students were safe at school, ICE wasn't going to snatch their kids. Before he was even the official candidate. Or the white teachers who have championed for the black and brown students at my to go to college, to go to prom, not for the glory but because it's right.

I don't know who there had been an ally before the elections. I don't know her life nor did I care. What did I know was that I hadn't marched or done half as much as most black kids my age. But I decided yesterday, was the first step. I was hesitant because I had the same sentiments as you, is this about black women issues too? But I heard from women I admire like Kamala Harris and Maxine Waters. Angela Davis. Janet Mock. The mothers. Talking about us. I had to at 20 make the decision to not just talk the talk but walk the walk. I didnt care about why the woman next to me was there I did it for me.

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Again I was probably educated very similar to you. However I don't have white friends, I don't have black friends, I don't have Asian friends , I don't have gay friends and I don't have trans friends. Maybe 10 years ago I did , but now as an adult I'm blessed to just have friends. I have friends that I talk to equally, openly and liberally about everything in the spectrum life. I talk to people as people now.

It's great that you went to the MOW "for you" and I'm glad it was your first step. Just know that if you keep up with activism that eventually you will get tired, you will get frustrated, and you will learn that intersectionality in feminism eventually does require you to chose. In June 2015 I chose that I was black first and a woman second, and these marches, rallies and causes have made me painfully aware that I don't have time to be both. I may root from a distance but I'm not showing up and "other women" can do the grunt work.

I have a 21 y/o sister and fortunately for her she's always been "woke" and didn't have to go through this "journey"


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FierceIsTheName said:

My school held an MLK assembly this past friday (jan 20th) and the ASB's goal was to discuss more than just racism, but how people are oppressed in other ways.
They had student speakers. The first was a Junior who rapped about discrimination. Then a senior talked about how as a freshman, someone shouted slurs at him. Then another student, a junior who is lesbian, talked about how her dad stopped talking to her after she came out. Then as the ASB students were introducing the final student, a senior transgender girl, many people stood up and left. Many of which were decked out in Trump flags, camo and one had a confederate flag hat. I can't even believe. The girl did an incredibly speech. It was actually her college essay, and she talked about what she has to deal with daily.
I have a class with her, we TA together. And she occasionally will come to class crying because someone said some rude things to her, and even once I had to walk her to our school's police officer's office to complain. He saw the whole thing, even confronted the rude student bullying her, and he did nothing about it. I'm not kidding when I say that this police officer told this girl "Well the kid said sorry, and thats all we can ask for. Apologizes will fix this"
...
i just.
I live in Washington state.
A majority liberal state.
I live in a small town where some of the students speak with a southern accent.... I can't make this up.. because they live on a farm....

Many of the students at my high school took to twitter to call out these disrespectful people for walking out, some said how proud they were of the students who shared their stories, and some whine and complained about how "I believe in the bible, where there are only two genders" (yes I know this makes 0 sense to what ANY of the students were talking about...)

AND SOME had the audacity to COMPLAIN TO THEIR PARENTS... and those parents went to FACEBOOK to threaten the school, on how they shouldn't be talking about this in school, and that it isn't related to MLK at all, and that the students shouldn't have been forced to go to this assembly (they weren't. but they were all too stupid to pay attention to the morning announcements)

I don't know what to do, or how to help... I am just so sad and disappointed in our school..

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Students aren't allowed to wear Confederate flag paraphernalia after what happened in this state.

That's unfortunate what's happening to the girl that is trans. I hope she's documenting everything in the event something drastic needs to be done

Someone also should explain gender vs sex to your peers


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