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Agreed! Now we're seeing almost complete full teams crossing over to compete in a lower division. That's the next trend in all star. I guess anything to win.
I'm not talking about CEA or level 5 teams either.
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I disagree. All these big name J5s wouldn't be able to compete at NCA along with their Worlds teams if they had that many crossovers. A couple maybe, but definitely not to the same extent. I wouldn't say it's the norm.
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Curious to hear why crossing to a different division within the same level is a problem (not from you specifically just in general).
I don't think that's a problem at all. I'm talking about level 4 and 5 teams competing level 1-3 as the same team just to win.
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i didnt see cheer extreme c4 on the nca schedule. they probably dont go because they have alot of level 5 crossovers from senior elite,coed elite and their junior 5 team on that level 4 team.
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I do not think most gyms do this. Name other big name gyms that do this. There's no reason to be on two teams IMO. That's a higher risk for injury.
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Yeah, they definitely have an extremely talented group of kids. My comment was just pointing out that their senior teams are already benefiting from those super talented kids. To be clear, I don't think it's a problem. Cross within the same level as much as you want.
The only other one I can think of is Cali, with a FEW kids being on Snipers and Smoed. That's just R5 to 5 though.
I have no ideas if other big name gyms do it, but in terms of size at a single location the number of athletes in kernersville or Raleigh is much much smaller than Cheer athletics Plano or stingrays Marietta. You can't compare of gym of 300 athletes to a gym of 600+.
ETA. This is how I think about it-a gym with 600 athletes might have 100 level 5 athletes- much easier to make quite a few level 5 teams without crossovers. A gym with 300 might have 50 level 5 athletes. It gets a little trickier to fill multiple level 5 teams without some age crossover-- ie youth to junior and junior to senior. Or the other option is don't offer junior level 5 but there are kids that are youth and junior age that have level 5 skills but aren't ready (or age appropriate) for worlds teams. So you create the younger teams and you fill in the gaps with crossovers.
I'm strictly talking about crossovers within the same level.
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If they don't have the kids, why not make the junior team small instead of large like it is. I don't think they use crossovers solely to fill teams (could be one reason for some teams), but so athletes can be on more than one team.
Which is perfectly fine too. At this point crossovers for the most part are legal and any gym is free to make teams anyway they see fit.
At least with having a child crossover (disclaimer my child is only one 1 team)-- I would get double my money's worth at competitions-- 5 minutes of routines instead of 2.5 for $40.
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The only teams to have ever gotten a paid bid to Worlds in Level 6 Int'l Coed (I could missing someone) was Cheer Athletics Claw 6, PCM Resurrection, Twist & Shout, Gym Time, & Spirit All-Stars Onyx (I was on that team
). It happens... its just the struggle of level 6
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As to my comment about CEA's J5:
*Are there as many Senior team kids on that team as people are saying? The way people comment, it's as if the whole team is basically Coed/Senior Elite. Probably more like a stunt group?
* I mean, you can pull as many kids from your Senior 5 as you want onto your J5. If your Senior pool is not strong, the team still won't win, no? It doesn't always create a SuperTeam, you know?
*How do you guys remember exactly who is on a Worlds team to know that there are crossovers? I'm always so impressed that you guys know kids names/faces like that. I only happen to know from this site that CSP has a kid on teams. I am still trying to remember the kids my kid plays soccer with!
*Are there as many Senior team kids on that team as people are saying? The way people comment, it's as if the whole team is basically Coed/Senior Elite. Probably more like a stunt group?
* I mean, you can pull as many kids from your Senior 5 as you want onto your J5. If your Senior pool is not strong, the team still won't win, no? It doesn't always create a SuperTeam, you know?
*How do you guys remember exactly who is on a Worlds team to know that there are crossovers? I'm always so impressed that you guys know kids names/faces like that. I only happen to know from this site that CSP has a kid on teams. I am still trying to remember the kids my kid plays soccer with!
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I don't know for sure who's on what team. I just know that anytime I see a CEA kid's IG account, their bio says something like "Coed 4 Bombsquad, JC5 Crush, SE4L," or something similar. In my mind, it's always created the illusion (or reality) that every kid crosses to at least one other team. I think that's part of the reason why people think a good number of Crush kids are on either SE or Coed Elite. Another chunk is likely on YE.
Hey, it's totally legal and CSP has always had a good explanation for why that's the culture of their gym. You can't argue that their teams aren't successful, and it seems to be working for them. But just like Smoed is known as the team with difficult conditioning, CEA is known as the team with a ton of crossovers.
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