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I’m all for this. One of biggest pet peeves about this year, (besides only needing 2 jumps to tuck to max out but I’m still a strong believer in requiring four to tuck to max out so I’m old school), is having a full stunt group worth of nuggets standing around during elites. I really hope this changes that trend


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I'm torn... yes I want to see everyone participate but sometimes it's hard to make a stunt group out of the leftover kids if they're all a similar size or are just not that good at stunting.

CP and some others tumble during some of the stunts because she's one of the smaller non flyers and not a great base. She does base one stunt and part of pyramid though.
I think there is still room for “extra”. Like a small team can have 22 (5 stunt groups and 2 tumblers) as opposed to that same team of 22 putting up 4 stunts and having 6 tumblers.
 
My issue is that if you have a team of 12, you're hooped.

I think that going back to having to have "all" participate to get stunt quantity would be a significantly better way to approach this problem. Whatever your "all" is, you do.,

I have a team of 14 this year, we're only required to put up 2 stunts at any time for "most" to get full credit. Do I put 3 stunts up? You're darn right I do.
1) if 1 does fall, I don't lose a range for being under choreographed
2) it's better aesthetically. In our second stunt section the middle group does half the sequence then moves forward to begin tumbling while the other 2 finish. That is the only time I don't have 3 stunts in the air.
3) it does score higher in difficulty

I just think there's a better way to handle this "do the minimum" issue

ETA: yeah, you could do 3 person groups, I just realized that. But replace team of 12 with team of 11, and there you go. Impossible to max out your stunt quantity. And for some gyms, "getting more kids" isn't an option for any number of reasons.
 
I'm torn... yes I want to see everyone participate but sometimes it's hard to make a stunt group out of the leftover kids if they're all a similar size or are just not that good at stunting.

CP and some others tumble during some of the stunts because she's one of the smaller non flyers and not a great base. She does base one stunt and part of pyramid though.

It's the coaches' jobs to get them good at stunting! They have all summer to work on those skills. Size of the kids doesn't matter. That's a cop out that I see all of the time. Until a couple of years ago, CP was tiny. She was also one of the strongest bases on her teams. Why? Coaches realized that she would not be a good flyer and they worked with her on her stunting skills.
 
It's the coaches' jobs to get them good at stunting! They have all summer to work on those skills. Size of the kids doesn't matter. That's a cop out that I see all of the time. Until a couple of years ago, CP was tiny. She was also one of the strongest bases on her teams. Why? Coaches realized that she would not be a good flyer and they worked with her on her stunting skills.

That's good for her!

CP can base the smallest 2 flyers but is struggling with the bigger ones. Of course bases can work to get stronger but to say size doesn't matter isn't completely true either.

(It's not a problem for me personally, she does whatever she's asked to do and her team has done well so I trust the coaches.)
 
Is there a link to the current score rubric? Because these new rules are what USA HS Nationals has been doing for forever. I didn't realize AS just came around to this scoring system. I'd like to see the rules they're implementing now by comparison to gauge how much will have to change next year.
 
I have no problem requiring maximum stunts. But USASF needs to decide if it’s three four or five per stunt. And they shouldn’t have bottom team limits beneath their minimum stunt requirements. If you require 4 stunts for a team of 12 that’s 3 per stunt. But for a team of 16 that’s 4 per stunt. One is obviously different than the other. The stunt max should be equal. If it isnt, they should be different divisions.
 
That's good for her!

CP can base the smallest 2 flyers but is struggling with the bigger ones. Of course bases can work to get stronger but to say size doesn't matter isn't completely true either.

(It's not a problem for me personally, she does whatever she's asked to do and her team has done well so I trust the coaches.)
In your example, you said the girls were all about the same size. That's what I was referring to. Plus, you even said that your peanut could base the smaller fliers. That's where coaching decisions come in. It's their job to put together successful groups. Teams will be able to figure it out. They might have to work harder to do it, but they'll figure it out.

I will say that I have known some girls who were absolutely too small to base. If you're on a team of girls 5'3" and up and you're 4'10" you will have to fly. Bases can adjust height, but I don't think they can safely adjust 5 inches!
 
In your example, you said the girls were all about the same size. That's what I was referring to. Plus, you even said that your peanut could base the smaller fliers. That's where coaching decisions come in. It's their job to put together successful groups. Teams will be able to figure it out. They might have to work harder to do it, but they'll figure it out.

I will say that I have known some girls who were absolutely too small to base. If you're on a team of girls 5'3" and up and you're 4'10" you will have to fly. Bases can adjust height, but I don't think they can safely adjust 5 inches!

You're right. I think if the coaches wanted to make another stunt group they would figure it out. CP being one of the smaller and less experienced bases would probably get to base one of the smallest flyers and the biggest/strongest bases would get the bigger flyers.

They wouldn't just make a new group with the current leftovers. :)
 
I have no problem requiring maximum stunts. But USASF needs to decide if it’s three four or five per stunt. And they shouldn’t have bottom team limits beneath their minimum stunt requirements. If you require 4 stunts for a team of 12 that’s 3 per stunt. But for a team of 16 that’s 4 per stunt. One is obviously different than the other. The stunt max should be equal. If it isnt, they should be different divisions.

At USA it’s 76% of the team doing the elite level skill for full points.

That said, difficulty is also calculated by “girls in the air.” So a team of 3o can theoretically max out with seven stunt groups. But you’d better believe teams with 30 will also try and get 10 girls in the air in their one-man sections to take the edge.
 
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