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Ok... I totally need to vent and I’m hoping maybe someone can help me to understand (because American Cheer Power won’t explain themselves). Our team attended a competition this past weekend and got robbed of a PAID bid. There were 5 Paid bids handed out and the first 4 were given to the top 4 teams with the highest score. Our team was next in line for the final paid bid and we were skipped over for a team that had over 2 points lower on their final score. How does this happen??? I have tried to rationalize this decision but everything I come up with leads to the same conclusion... we got cheated. I understand that ultimately it is the competition’s decision as to who tonhand the bids to, but I want an explanation as to why they did what they did.
The other 4 teams were the next highest scoring at the event, so it wasn’t a score issue (as I stated we were next in line score wise). The other bids were also handed out in the same divisions (2 went to one division and 2 went to another division), so it’s not that we had too many bids for our division and they were trying to spread things out. It’s not because they had a clean routine and we had a .25 deduction, because they too had a deduction. So what is it? The only thing I can come up with is that we are a small gym with 5 teams and the team that for our bid is a large gym that brought 15 teams. Is this really what our sport has come down to?
Sorry, rant over. Just had to get this off my chest and see how many people/teams this has happened to and what people think.
 
What does the bid declaration say? Its possible they also considered placement in each division as well as scores, depth of the division, etc. So sorry that your team was disappointed. Hugs.
 
http://cheerpower.varsity.com/CALENDER 18-19/Guidelines/2019 Cheer World Bid Declaration.pdf

5 PAID BIDS
1 PAID BID – Will be reserved for a L5 All Girl Senior Team (XSmall, Small, Medium, Large).
1 PAID BID – Will be reserved for a L5 Senior Coed Team (XSmall Coed, Small Coed, Medium Coed, Large Coed).
1 PAID BID – Will be reserved to an International Open/Open Coed/Senior Open/Senior Open Coed Team if score permits.
2 REMAINING PAID BIDS – The remaining bids will be awarded to the next highest scoring team in all Bid Eligible Divisions.

  • ACP reserves the right to award an originally designated International Open/Open Coed/Senior Open/Senior Open Coed Paid Bid to a Senior/Senior Coed Team or vice versa.

  • If any of these teams have a previously earned PAID bid from another event producer, ACP will award the bid(s) to the next highest scoring eligible team(s).

  • FULL PAID BIDS will be awarded at the discretion of American Cheer Power. Factors impacting decision are depth of division, routine skills and deductions. First place Champions will be given strong consideration for each full paid bid.




 
EDIT: I assumed this was about Summit bids but now I think I'm wrong. Sorry!

Sometimes mistakes are made. I've always seen it fixed - an extra bid given out to the team that was mistakenly skipped over - once the program reaches out to the EP.

The blanket bid declaration that I've seen goes: The paid bids go to the highest scoring teams across different levels. Then, depending on how many paid bids there are, the first of the AL bids will go to different levels than the paid. Then the remaining bids are handed out across different levels. So, if there were 5 paid bids and your team was the second highest in, say, level 4, but outscored the level 2 bid... it unfortunately doesn't matter. The bid declaration wants the bids to be spread out across levels.
 
The bid declaration was followed. Yes, I'm sure it's disappointing scoring higher than a team that got a bid, but the declaration is spelled out pretty clearly. So I wouldn't call it being robbed.

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The bid declaration was followed. Yes, I'm sure it's disappointing scoring higher than a team that got a bid, but the declaration is spelled out pretty clearly. So I wouldn't call it being robbed.

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Actually, it could have been done differently. As stated in the declaration, they hold the right to give a bid that was to go to an Open team to a Sr/Sr Coed or vise versa. They filled all their declaration requirements. They gave 1 to a all girl, 1 to a coed (open team) and 1 to a open (again a coed team). The next two bids were open to the left over highest scoring teams which would have been the other team that got the bid and us.
 
Actually, it could have been done differently. As stated in the declaration, they hold the right to give a bid that was to go to an Open team to a Sr/Sr Coed or vise versa. They filled all their declaration requirements. They gave 1 to a all girl, 1 to a coed (open team) and 1 to a open (again a coed team). The next two bids were open to the left over highest scoring teams which would have been the other team that got the bid and us.
It says senior small, medium, or large coed team though, not senior open, which that one was given to the team with the lower score.

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What does the bid declaration say? Its possible they also considered placement in each division as well as scores, depth of the division, etc. So sorry that your team was disappointed. Hugs.

We came in 3rd out of 13 and the other team came in 2nd out of 3. I guess that could have been it?
 
It says senior small, medium, or large coed team though, not senior open, which that one was given to the team with the lower score.

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I don’t quite understand what your saying.

“ACP reserves the right to award an originally designated International Open/Open Coed/Senior Open/Senior Open Coed Paid Bid to a Senior/Senior Coed Team or vice versa.”
 
Ok... I totally need to vent and I’m hoping maybe someone can help me to understand (because American Cheer Power won’t explain themselves). Our team attended a competition this past weekend and got robbed of a PAID bid. There were 5 Paid bids handed out and the first 4 were given to the top 4 teams with the highest score. Our team was next in line for the final paid bid and we were skipped over for a team that had over 2 points lower on their final score. How does this happen??? I have tried to rationalize this decision but everything I come up with leads to the same conclusion... we got cheated. I understand that ultimately it is the competition’s decision as to who tonhand the bids to, but I want an explanation as to why they did what they did.
The other 4 teams were the next highest scoring at the event, so it wasn’t a score issue (as I stated we were next in line score wise). The other bids were also handed out in the same divisions (2 went to one division and 2 went to another division), so it’s not that we had too many bids for our division and they were trying to spread things out. It’s not because they had a clean routine and we had a .25 deduction, because they too had a deduction. So what is it? The only thing I can come up with is that we are a small gym with 5 teams and the team that for our bid is a large gym that brought 15 teams. Is this really what our sport has come down to?
Sorry, rant over. Just had to get this off my chest and see how many people/teams this has happened to and what people think.
Depends on the declaration. We have placed 3rd in overall bid scores, as an IO5 team, but because declaration says one goes to AG then a much lower placed AG team got paid over us. . Happened more than once over the years. I get your frustration if this is the case.
 
I don’t quite understand what your saying.

“ACP reserves the right to award an originally designated International Open/Open Coed/Senior Open/Senior Open Coed Paid Bid to a Senior/Senior Coed Team or vice versa.”
The bid declaration states that a senior (non open) coed team will receive a paid bid. The team that scored lower is the team that received that bid. The 2 open teams that got paid bids scored higher than your team, so they got those bids instead of them being transferred to a senior team that scored lower.

So they would have had to take the senior coed bid and given it to a senior all girl team. Or given the bid to your team over a higher scoring open team.

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Bottom line, it sucks no matter how you put it...but at least now I can see a little better what happened. Instead of taking the coed bid and giving it to a coed open (which from what I read could have been a possibility) and then awarding us with the bid as the next highest they just went down the list of things and checked the boxes. Maybe things would have been different if they had time to review and did the reveal on Monday. I guess that’s a chance we all take.
Thank you all for giving thought and opinions. I might not agree and I still feel that there was a much better way, but at least now I’ve been given some kind of answer (which is more then I can say ACP did).
The bid won’t define us or any other team. We will just go out there and do what we do best.
Good luck to everyone competing at Worlds (Summit and D2) no matter how you get there, you still got there.
 
Bottom line, it sucks no matter how you put it...but at least now I can see a little better what happened. Instead of taking the coed bid and giving it to a coed open (which from what I read could have been a possibility) and then awarding us with the bid as the next highest they just went down the list of things and checked the boxes. Maybe things would have been different if they had time to review and did the reveal on Monday. I guess that’s a chance we all take.
Thank you all for giving thought and opinions. I might not agree and I still feel that there was a much better way, but at least now I’ve been given some kind of answer (which is more then I can say ACP did).
The bid won’t define us or any other team. We will just go out there and do what we do best.
Good luck to everyone competing at Worlds (Summit and D2) no matter how you get there, you still got there.
Bottom line declarations are not fair if a team many places below u gets it just because of something written on paper and not because of how u performed!
 
Bottom line declarations are not fair if a team many places below u gets it just because of something written on paper and not because of how u performed!

How, if it's published in advance what the rules of the game are, is it unfair? The same rules, restrictions and guidelines applied to everyone.

I think it's unfair that my level 1 team cannot do an over ride when loading up to prep 2 feet because then you're passing through extended, which is good technique. But thats the rule, it's not unfair. It's inconvenient.
 
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