All-Star Alcohol/drugs At Worlds

catlady said:

If it is during their event, they have the right to enforce alcohol rules in or out of uniform, as well as, on or off property. I have no doubt there will be athletes and adults policing this and snapping pics to see how serious the USASF is about enforcing it. Most of us have heard stories of athletes either smoking or being hungover during performances, and people were outraged that nothing was being done about it. Now that the USASF is coming in and taking a no tolerance stance, there are bound to be those that complain about overstepping. People may not realize it, but you don't have to be drunk to be found negligent in safety and a picture within a timeline is all it would take to provide a lawyer with ammunition.

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If I am disturbed after hours (especially on Monday night), you bet I will be one to take pictures and videos. Without starting a witch hunt, I think anything beyond reasonable behavior should be reported.

catlady said:

If it is during their event, they have the right to enforce alcohol rules in or out of uniform, as well as, on or off property. I have no doubt there will be athletes and adults policing this and snapping pics to see how serious the USASF is about enforcing it. Most of us have heard stories of athletes either smoking or being hungover during performances, and people were outraged that nothing was being done about it. Now that the USASF is coming in and taking a no tolerance stance, there are bound to be those that complain about overstepping. People may not realize it, but you don't have to be drunk to be found negligent in safety and a picture within a timeline is all it would take to provide a lawyer with ammunition.

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I'm talking about adult athletes going back to their off property hotel rooms having one or two drinks away from everyone else and acting in a responsible way. There is no way to enforce that. I am willing to bet the spirit of this policy is to stop obnoxious and irresponsible behavior. And I'm pretty sure that Disney is behind this rather than USASF

quietmom said:

I'm talking about adult athletes going back to their off property hotel rooms having one or two drinks away from everyone else and acting in a responsible way. There is no way to enforce that. I am willing to bet the spirit of this policy is to stop obnoxious and irresponsible behavior. And I'm pretty sure that Disney is behind this rather than USASF

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I have no doubt it's Disney property, but it's still the USASF's event and liability is liability when it comes to non-cheerleader/cheerleader guest safety, athlete injuries and/or assault. There will always be those that do something just to do it, however, that goes back to perhaps you have a bigger problem if you can't refrain for a few days. I've heard/seen too many stories/videos that have happened at World's, and a non-tolerance policy is the only way they are going to be able to police and enforce it. My fear is Suzie and her friend's will think it's no big deal because Suzie's mom said they can't enforce it, that's a big gamble.
@KPep I agree.

So it someone is sitting in Disney with a beer in a non team shirt are they going to ask if they cheer?

I think the best thing to do is to simply not drink for the weekend. USASF/Disney hasn't (to my knowledge) specified how they will be policing this or what the exact rules are (ie drinking while wearing non-cheer clothes). There are simply too many unknowns so when in doubt don't do it.

why should usasf have control over parents/athletes/coaches that arent physically staying on disney property. I dont see how they can enforce their rules if teams are choosing to stay in a non disney hotel, or renting a house.
i just thinks a very thinly stretched rule. If athletes, coaches and parents are done completely with competition if their team dont make it past semis, but their other program teams do move on, they should be allowed to do as they please. They are done. usasf shouldnt be in control of them at that point, especially if they arent staying on property.

im also not a fan of usasf basically wanting people to be spies and turn in anything they can find that breaks the rules. I can see some petty a** kids/parents trying to stir the pot intentionally with rival competition. And honestly this would be my biggest gripe with the rule. People are PETTY, people will intentional try and spin things to hurt others if they can.

Personally if an adult athlete is spending the $$ to go to Worlds why would they ruin their chances at doing well......wouldn’t a coach already set the rules for a comp weekend during the whole season? Of course if some athlete is standing out/causing a scene then that is different than enjoying a cocktail at the end of the day.

I have never been at the level for worlds but when I cheered especially university cheer we 1 week prior to a comp no drinking so no one would be a practice hungover or still drunk from the night before.
On allstar on a senior team mixed with adults and teens we knew our expectation.
I never drank alcohol until I knew competition was over after the team award session.

One simple way to identify and police this rule without could be to have every memeber of the team who presents with a over 21 id who would like to drink gets a wrist band. No wrist band you are considered under drinking age and the rules apply if have a wristband and behaving irrepressibly same reprecussions.

As I said earlier most gyms have policies in place and dont really see the need to punish the people who can legally drink AFTER they are done competing because sometimes its just nice to have a glass of wine or a beer with a meal and its stupid that that would be punished

UCFKnights07 said:

why should usasf have control over parents/athletes/coaches that arent physically staying on disney property. I dont see how they can enforce their rules if teams are choosing to stay in a non disney hotel, or renting a house.
i just thinks a very thinly stretched rule. If athletes, coaches and parents are done completely with competition if their team dont make it past semis, but their other program teams do move on, they should be allowed to do as they please. They are done. usasf shouldnt be in control of them at that point, especially if they arent staying on property.

im also not a fan of usasf basically wanting people to be spies and turn in anything they can find that breaks the rules. I can see some petty a** kids/parents trying to stir the pot intentionally with rival competition. And honestly this would be my biggest gripe with the rule. People are PETTY, people will intentional try and spin things to hurt others if they can.

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You do realize that USASF Worlds is taking place in conjunction with ICU. ICU follows and is a member of an international anti doping regulatory body. I’m sure with the provisional Olympic status that the officials aligned with this movement would be in attendance and expect this to be in place. I would wager that since the Special Olympics and Paralympics are also on board, their governing counsel would also expect this to be in place. Securing insurance for a governing body also requires this policy and many others (harassment, sexual assault,etc) to be in place. This is a basic requirement for most sports.

coachrah said:

You do realize that USASF Worlds is taking place in conjunction with ICU. ICU follows and is a member of an international anti doping regulatory body. I’m sure with the provisional Olympic status that the officials aligned with this movement would be in attendance and expect this to be in place. I would wager that since the Special Olympics and Paralympics are also on board, their governing counsel would also expect this to be in place. Securing insurance for a governing body also requires this policy and many others (harassment, sexual assault,etc) to be in place. This is a basic requirement for most sports.

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That's fine. But how is usasf going to monitor kids who arent on disney property. It just doesnt seem like the most well thought out plan. Thats all.

coachrah said:

You do realize that USASF Worlds is taking place in conjunction with ICU. ICU follows and is a member of an international anti doping regulatory body. I’m sure with the provisional Olympic status that the officials aligned with this movement would be in attendance and expect this to be in place. I would wager that since the Special Olympics and Paralympics are also on board, their governing counsel would also expect this to be in place. Securing insurance for a governing body also requires this policy and many others (harassment, sexual assault,etc) to be in place. This is a basic requirement for most sports.

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IASF too is involved with WADA this year, so we were told at the beginning of the season. I don't know how much follow through there was, but we were told that we could be treated the same as all other athletes this season in terms of random doping tests and such. It was a big conversation once pot became legal in Canada since it is also still on the WADA list of banned substances

coachrah said:

You do realize that USASF Worlds is taking place in conjunction with ICU. ICU follows and is a member of an international anti doping regulatory body. I’m sure with the provisional Olympic status that the officials aligned with this movement would be in attendance and expect this to be in place. I would wager that since the Special Olympics and Paralympics are also on board, their governing counsel would also expect this to be in place. Securing insurance for a governing body also requires this policy and many others (harassment, sexual assault,etc) to be in place. This is a basic requirement for most sports.

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Maybe true, but anyone is kidding themselves if they don't think the Olympic athletes drink after they are done competing at the Olympics. There have been accounts from athletes themselves that put any party there's ever been at the allstar to shame.
Professional athletes - same thing - all of the champagne and beer locker room celebrations are televised. Red Sox had a minor on the team - no one is claming that's irresponsible. They did their job - their job is done. They should be allowed to celebrate.

Vaping/smoking is an addiction. Expecting legal adults to stop being addicted for an entire weekend is going to cause an injury.

It sounds like Disney is cracking down on USASF so they are cracking down on athletes. I'm in a handful of Disney groups and the warnings are already rampant about World's, Summit and D2---don't book the all-stars or Coronado, expect screaming teenagers chanting around the parks...etc.

Sterling von Shimmer said:

Just a thought: I don’t know if people would complain to Disney about it. It never made sense to me to complain to a business about their customers. Employees and services yes, customers no. And if there are complaints, I think there are probably way more paying/returning cheer customers that Disney would want to cater to more than any number of complainants.

ETA: not “cater to” like “Let them do whatever they want,” more like “Let’s find a reasonable solution that makes everyone happy” rather than an absolutist approach.

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They definitely do complain to Disney about it. It's not uncommon to read about people being moved to a different resort or even upgraded to a better resort/room because Cheerleader 1, 2 and 3 are chanting downs the hallways at night and it's too noisy for their kids to sleep. To be fair, cheerleaders aren't the only customers that Disney gets complaints about---but people absolutely do complain about them.

In the groups I'm in, there are only 2 types of groups that get complained about consistently. Cheerleaders and Brazilian Tour Groups (re. the chanting). I never see complaints when there are soccer tournaments, baseball tournaments, runDisney weekends...etc. People may say, "It'll be busy because it's the Princess Marathon this weekend," but it's never "Groups of unchaperoned unruly loud teenagers take over the park and make it miserable to be at."

I missed that it was HS Nationals weekend not too long ago and about hit the floor when a group of 25-30 ish cheerleaders starting chanting right next to us in the World Showcase. It was loud for me and came out of nowhere, now imagine being 8 years old with Autism, walking to Frozen and that sounding off right next to you. She screamed in pain and burst into tears.

Reality is, I spent 75 days in Disney last year, spanning every month and season, and the only ones who do the chanting, screaming, running around and excessive line cutting just happen to be the 2 groups everyone complains about.

So it's not just a 'teenager' thing...at least, not from what I've personally witnessed.

UCFKnights07 said:

That's fine. But how is usasf going to monitor kids who arent on disney property. It just doesnt seem like the most well thought out plan. Thats all.

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This is my issue. How are they even going to police it on-site for that matter? If they see a young adult outside vaping/smoking, or at Epcot having a drink around the world - are they going to ask them if they are a cheerleader? If they have nothing identifying them as affiliated with any team I can't see how this can be enforced (social media aside).

I am in favour of the rule for drinking - smoking is another story. You can't simply tell a smoker that they can't smoke for 6 days, that's torture for them and arguably puts others at risk more so than if you were to allow them to smoke.

I just think USASF has put in a policy that they will have a heck of a time trying to police. They better be serious about it or they're going to have a few rebellious teens (or possibly adults) trying to test the waters.