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Ashton Locklear announced her retirement on her Twitter.

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Ashton Locklear announced her retirement on her Twitter.

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I honestly believe she made the right decision for herself. She was constantly in pain, especially during competitions. Sometimes your body just about has enough and is screaming for you to stop.

With the depth of the U.S. WAG team, I didn’t see her making any major teams anyway. I hope she’s able to carry on with her life pain-free with this decision.
 
MyKayla Skinner announced she's going back to elite. Im excited for her, i know there was a bit of debate on if they would choose her over gabby douglas during the last olympics.
 
I can’t be the only one who’s following the Junior World Championships right now. It may only be the first edition, but federations have sent the best of their best.

Subdivision 4 of 5 is competing right, Russia is leading both the AA and TF standings, with Romania going on now and China later (pretty much the only 2 countries left who could shake things up at the top).

Exactly how good are some of these Juniors? So far Viktoria Listunova’s (RUS) FX score would’ve held up for a silver medal at Worlds last year, and this is given that all elements, no matter how difficult, are capped at an E-difficulty for Juniors. Unlike other gymnasts, Listunova doesn’t do any skills above E, but it also shows how a good routine composition with great execution can give you a damn good score.

Also, if you add all of Russia’s scores today, it would’ve been higher than their SENIOR team’s TF score from Worlds last year. That’s how GOOD this crop of Russians are.

Team China is made of some amazing gymnasts too, can’t wait to see how they do later.
 
I can’t be the only one who’s following the Junior World Championships right now. It may only be the first edition, but federations have sent the best of their best.

Subdivision 4 of 5 is competing right, Russia is leading both the AA and TF standings, with Romania going on now and China later (pretty much the only 2 countries left who could shake things up at the top).

Exactly how good are some of these Juniors? So far Viktoria Listunova’s (RUS) FX score would’ve held up for a silver medal at Worlds last year, and this is given that all elements, no matter how difficult, are capped at an E-difficulty for Juniors. Unlike other gymnasts, Listunova doesn’t do any skills above E, but it also shows how a good routine composition with great execution can give you a damn good score.

Also, if you add all of Russia’s scores today, it would’ve been higher than their SENIOR team’s TF score from Worlds last year. That’s how GOOD this crop of Russians are.

Team China is made of some amazing gymnasts too, can’t wait to see how they do later.

Russia, man. You either do well at your chosen craft or you die trying. If you give up, you’re tried for treason. Seriously. That’s how they ran the space program, and it appears that’s how they run children’s gymnastics as well.

I’m kidding, but also not really.
 
I can’t be the only one who’s following the Junior World Championships right now. It may only be the first edition, but federations have sent the best of their best.

Subdivision 4 of 5 is competing right, Russia is leading both the AA and TF standings, with Romania going on now and China later (pretty much the only 2 countries left who could shake things up at the top).

Exactly how good are some of these Juniors? So far Viktoria Listunova’s (RUS) FX score would’ve held up for a silver medal at Worlds last year, and this is given that all elements, no matter how difficult, are capped at an E-difficulty for Juniors. Unlike other gymnasts, Listunova doesn’t do any skills above E, but it also shows how a good routine composition with great execution can give you a damn good score.

Also, if you add all of Russia’s scores today, it would’ve been higher than their SENIOR team’s TF score from Worlds last year. That’s how GOOD this crop of Russians are.

Team China is made of some amazing gymnasts too, can’t wait to see how they do later.

Yesssss for listy and vlada and i liiive for that tf podium. To bad listunova is to young for Tokyo but I’m very confident we will see vlada there next year.

Do you have any videos of laney from European games? Her aa score is kinda low and I nist want to see if it was harsh judging or she didn’t hit her routines. I looooove her and would die to see her in Tokyo but at this point I don’t see her making that top 24 at worlds.
 
Yesssss for listy and vlada and i liiive for that tf podium. To bad listunova is to young for Tokyo but I’m very confident we will see vlada there next year.

Do you have any videos of laney from European games? Her aa score is kinda low and I nist want to see if it was harsh judging or she didn’t hit her routines. I looooove her and would die to see her in Tokyo but at this point I don’t see her making that top 24 at worlds.
Could be technique issues, not sure
 
Yesssss for listy and vlada and i liiive for that tf podium. To bad listunova is to young for Tokyo but I’m very confident we will see vlada there next year.

Do you have any videos of laney from European games? Her aa score is kinda low and I nist want to see if it was harsh judging or she didn’t hit her routines. I looooove her and would die to see her in Tokyo but at this point I don’t see her making that top 24 at worlds.
They didn’t show any of Madsen’s routine on the broadcast, but I suspect her scores suffered due to poor execution, she’s just not as refined as she needs to be.

You actually need to be top 16 to qualify for Tokyo 2020 via AA at this Worlds, not top 24. Having said that, I think you’ll be surprised how low the score threshold will be to make top 16 will be. This is top 16, but minus everyone who is:
1.) From a federation that has already qualified a team.
2.) An individual who qualified through placing top 3 in Worlds EF (#1 condition applies here too).

Any extra spots from EFs get carried over to AA.
e.g. 6 of the 8 uneven bars finalist come from countries that have already qualified as a team, so only 2 spots go to gymnasts via EF, the extra 1 gets added onto the 16 AA spots and becomes 17 AA spots.

And with WAG, the EFs tend to be represented by gymnasts form countries that have already qualified (will qualify) a team, so the list of qualifiers via AA will increase. Unlike the men where very strong specialist exist in smaller federations, they don’t get extra spots that transfer to AA.

Even if Madsen’s elite career doesn’t pan out, I’m glad that she will probably end up at UCLA. Why? Because Dominic Palange is now an assistant coach there, he was a cheerleader with Top Gun Allstars for a few years. So if ANYONE can spot bad cheerleading habits and correct them, it would be him.
 
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This is what a 14.166 floor routine looks like with just 5.5 in difficulty:


Her execution is SO pleasing to my eyes!!

China on balance beam, enough said:
Wei Xiao Yuan


Ou Yu Shan


Sydney Barros going into Vault finals with the highest score and deservingly so:
Vault 1


Vault 2


Official scores from qualifications, team finals and all-around finals can be found here:
Fdration Internationale de Gymnastique
 
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They didn’t show any of Madsen’s routine on the broadcast, but I suspect her scores suffered due to poor execution, she’s just not as refined as she needs to be.

You actually need to be top 16 to qualify for Tokyo 2020 via AA at this Worlds, not top 24. Having said that, I think you’ll be surprised how low the score threshold will be to make top 16 will be. This is top 16, but minus everyone who is:
1.) From a federation that has already qualified a team.
2.) An individual who qualified through placing top 3 in Worlds EF (#1 condition applies here too).

Any extra spots from EFs get carried over to AA.
e.g. 6 of the 8 uneven bars finalist come from countries that have already qualified as a team, so only 2 spots go to gymnasts via EF, the extra 1 gets added onto the 16 AA spots and becomes 17 AA spots.

And with WAG, the EFs tend to be represented by gymnasts form countries that have already qualified (will qualify) a team, so the list of qualifiers via AA will increase. Unlike the men where very strong specialist exist in smaller federations, they don’t get extra spots that transfer to AA.

Even if Madsen’s elite career doesn’t pan out, I’m glad that she will probably end up at UCLA. Why? Because Dominic Palange is now an assistant coach there, he was a cheerleader with Top Gun Allstars for a few years. So if ANYONE can spot bad cheerleading habits and correct them, it would be him.

I just checked and it's top 20 gymnast. I had no idea I always tought it's 24.

Since it's looks like you understand how to qualify explain me this.
Let's say Gulia Steingruber finish in 10th place in AA and gets bronze in vault finals. And Ilaria Kaeslin finish aa in 15th place.
Does Gulia gets her spot through AA and Ilaira is out or does she gets her Olympic spot through vault finals and in this case Ilaria also qualify? If the last case is correct does this mean we will find out who qualfied to Olympics after all ef are over?

So if we for example use last year results top 20 aa would qualify + 2ub spot, 3 fx spots and 3 bb spots. That would make top 28 aa-ers qualify to the Olympics and after (very) fast calculation the 28th place is actually 79th aa place with a score of 47,399.
(but I expect this score to be higher since it's pre olympic year)

Ok that's more possible for Laney to qualify. Her aa score at Euro games was 43,732 and at europeans it was 48,399. She just needs to hit and she qualifies.
 
I just checked and it's top 20 gymnast. I had no idea I always tought it's 24.

Since it's looks like you understand how to qualify explain me this.
Let's say Gulia Steingruber finish in 10th place in AA and gets bronze in vault finals. And Ilaria Kaeslin finish aa in 15th place.
Does Gulia gets her spot through AA and Ilaira is out or does she gets her Olympic spot through vault finals and in this case Ilaria also qualify? If the last case is correct does this mean we will find out who qualfied to Olympics after all ef are over?

So if we for example use last year results top 20 aa would qualify + 2ub spot, 3 fx spots and 3 bb spots. That would make top 28 aa-ers qualify to the Olympics and after (very) fast calculation the 28th place is actually 79th aa place with a score of 47,399.
(but I expect this score to be higher since it's pre olympic year)

Ok that's more possible for Laney to qualify. Her aa score at Euro games was 43,732 and at europeans it was 48,399. She just needs to hit and she qualifies.
Hmmm... the qualification system booklet I have says 16:
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... but I also remember men and women have different number of AA berths because men have an additional 2 EFs (to cater up to 6 more top 3 EF finishers) compared to the women. So this booklet could be outdated.

To answer your question:
Given team Switzerland doesn’t qualify a team to Tokyo 2020, then Steingruber can decline her berth via AA and accept her berth as an event specialist. Which then leaves the Swiss AA berth to Kaeslin. Remember berths for AA are non-nominative, so gymnasts earn the berth for their federations, not themselves.

And yes, this means that we won’t actually know up to how many gymnasts can qualify via AA until the end of Worlds 2019.

After Worlds 2019, we will also get to see which gymnasts earn a berth via apparatus world cups, because we would have eliminated everyone else who already qualified via Worlds. For example, Nina Derwael is more than capable of earning herself a berth via AA (given Team Belgium doesn’t qualify a full team), so she gets taken out of the running for the uneven bars specialist spot via the apparatus World Cups, and it goes down to the next eligible gymnast.

There are still some grey areas in this process, like if Jade Carey accepts the nominative berth and she gets injured before Pan Ams, can team U.S.A. request Carey to decline her berth and then earn the second non-nominate berth?

... but yeah, don’t count Madsen out completely yet, really too early to say.
 
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Hmmm... the qualification system booklet I have says 16:
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... but I also remember men and women have different number of AA berths because men have an additional 2 EFs (to cater up to 6 more top 3 EF finishers) compared to the women. So this booklet could be outdated.

To answer your question:
Given team Switzerland doesn’t qualify a team to Tokyo 2020, then Steingruber can decline her berth via AA and accept her berth as an event specialist. Which then leaves the Swiss AA berth to Kaeslin. Remember berths for AA are non-nominative, so gymnasts earn the berth for their federations, not themselves.

And yes, this means that we won’t actually know up to how many gymnasts can qualify via AA until the end of Worlds 2019.

After Worlds 2019, we will also get to see which gymnasts earn a berth via apparatus world cups, because we would have eliminated everyone else who already qualified via Worlds. For example, Nina Derwael is more than capable of earning herself a berth via AA (given Team Belgium doesn’t qualify a full team), so she gets taken out of the running for the uneven bars specialist spot via the apparatus World Cups, and it goes down to the next eligible gymnast.

There are still some grey areas in this process, like if Jade Carey accepts the nominative berth and she gets injured before Pan Ams, can team U.S.A. request Carey to decline her berth and then earn the second non-nominate berth?

... but yeah, don’t count Madsen out completely yet, really too early to say.

Wikipedia says 20 so it must be true (joking of course). Another question...since spots are non nomative is it possible Golgota earns aa spot but Romania (because....Romania) decide to take Iordache instead? So Romania could potentially earn two spots at worlds with Golgota declining her aa spot (which would go to the next Romanian in aa) and her earning spot through ef (if she qualify to any ef ofcourse) which could go directly to her.
 
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