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Fair enough. The majority of our athletes don't deal with that at NCA, so our experience is different. Also, it is more of a "value" consideration than purely "cost". I don't mind paying for items that bring value, but I think the venues at WWS are not great for cheer at all - most disappointingly the newest one.

Worlds has gotten a little better, but the event logistics at both Summit and Worlds have typically been below that of nearly every other competition we attend each year. We have had more than the normal share of issues with check-in, warmups, staying on schedule, communication of results/scoring, scoring in general, awards, and general organization at the events. The services Disney provides are usually fine, but the EP part hasn't been.

Both Worlds and Summit have had astonishingly bad years from an organizational point of view (Looking at you D1 Summit 2018) that have probably soured me permanently on WWS as a cheer venue. If our experience there had been great, I wouldn't mind the cost as much.

The new arena blows.

I was lucky and avoided it last year at NHSCC. I haven’t looked at the block schedule to see if I’ll be lucky again this year.

With that said: I’ve not had recent logistical issues with NHSCC aside from waiting for a set of score sheets two years ago for over an hour.

The new arena has the best warm up area in the place. The field house has the best production/staging. The Josten’s center has the beat crowd viewing area. The primary problem is that none of the venues are convention centers made for concert-like performances. It’s like the old cookie cutter stadiums from the 60’s and 70’s that cities built to house their baseball and football teams simultaneously. Venues made for multi-purpose use do not serve any single purpose expertly.
 
So that would just be the teams not signing up, not NCA accepting them. Gotcha. Makes more sense


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It's also too, that the new International divisions aren't being offered at NCA (Intl 5 and NT7 mainly). These divisions aren't recognized by USASF, and since non-US teams are less likely to travel for competitions other than Worlds/Summit, NCA isn't offering these divisions. Too bad as I'd love to compete NCA more than Worlds
 
How does One Up fair in this lineup? Don’t quite a few teams attend since it’s the last competition before Worlds?
I thought across the board One Up was the worst competition we attended last year. And as far as competition, there were a total of 3 teams in our division and all were from the Northeast.
 
I thought across the board One Up was the worst competition we attended last year. And as far as competition, there were a total of 3 teams in our division and all were from the Northeast.
The worst, by far. In fact it ranks up there with one of the worst we have ever attended and that includes the'18 locked out of Summit and an event years ago in Wildwood, NJ where they used buckets to cover the vomit on the mat because they were out of paper towels. Anyway, we aren't going back to One Up and I suspect quite a few other programs will not.
 
I thought across the board One Up was the worst competition we attended last year. And as far as competition, there were a total of 3 teams in our division and all were from the Northeast.

Interesting. I thought more would attend as a last-ditch effort to grab a Worlds bid.
 
Interesting. I thought more would attend as a last-ditch effort to grab a Worlds bid.
That may be but quality over quantity matters more to me (not trying to be snarky). It wasn't a small competition but it was terribly run, extremely expensive, the venue was awful and the Worlds divisions were small in general. I think the lower levels were larger.
 
As someone from germany I never understood why the US doesnt have a system like state championships where you qualify for regionals and There for nationals. Why are there so many nationals? In germany we have states, regionals and nationals all run by CCVD which is like our USASF and we have indepentent competions like ECC which are run by varsity or other brands.
 
As someone from germany I never understood why the US doesnt have a system like state championships where you qualify for regionals and There for nationals. Why are there so many nationals? In germany we have states, regionals and nationals all run by CCVD which is like our USASF and we have indepentent competions like ECC which are run by varsity or other brands.

because... $$$money$$$
 
For many years NCA was to all star cheer what UCA is to high school cheer.

Even at the collegiate level: NCA was to the all star style what UCA was to the crowd-leading style.

A lot of the younger people, and even older ones who are still relatively young in Cheer age, are completely unaware of the level of competition between UCA and NCA. They don’t know about the “brand wars” from when COA, JamFest, WCA (is this even still a thing?), ACA, WSF, Cheersport, etc were all upstarts trying get their foot in the door offering their own individual incentives to attend their events.

Many of them have missed the days when you might make major changes to your routine from competition to competition because tumbling was 7 million points at one competition, and you had to have a minimum of 14 8-counts of dance to max your score at another.

Rewinds were legal at NCA college nationals but not at UCA college nationals.

When Jeff bought out NCA, creating the FIRST cheer-opoly, the industry actually experienced a pretty good upswing. A lot of things that needed to happen, happened. There was some consistency in rules across college cheer. The initial formation of USASF brought more safety consistency. Even Worlds, in its infancy was a great concept that has been bastardized by the “everyone gets a bid” mentality. There are teams that earn bids today that would have never gotten a bid the first year or two even putting their current routines up against the routines of the past.

JamFest started to buy up some smaller comp companies creating competition and keeping it all honest. Then the SECOND cheer-opoly occurred. Virtually nothing good has come from that buyout. There’s no one keeping the Varsity machine honest.

By the way, my question mark by WCA was tongue-in-cheek. As I recall, they were the last holdout against USASF, and I’m pretty sure they went under. You may have a different history regarding that organization. They disappeared during a brief time when I wasn’t paying a whole lot of attention to who was offering competitions because I had taken a coaching break.


As of right now, in my opinion the only big hold out company left is Jamz and I pray they never give in. They do amazing competitions, they are well attended and reasonably priced. No stay to play for Nationals in Vegas, or any competitions they hold. I hope they expand to the east coast and really make a dent, because they are an IEP that is worth attending.
 
As of right now, in my opinion the only big hold out company left is Jamz and I pray they never give in. They do amazing competitions, they are well attended and reasonably priced. No stay to play for Nationals in Vegas, or any competitions they hold. I hope they expand to the east coast and really make a dent, because they are an IEP that is worth attending.

JAMZ is above and beyond the best run and smoothest competition I have ever attended, and the owner is one of the kindest people I've ever met. Immortals got their Paid bid to worlds at Nationals last year and the owner personally came to the gym multiple times to work with them before they went. Just going above and beyond in every way, really.
 
I LOVE Jamz, their Vegas awards are by far my favorite. Their comps are always so well run and I love the transparency. They post scores in their website also and that’s a big plus in my book.


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I am not familiar with this company. Are they relatively new?

Not new, just all west coast for the most part. They do their big Nationals in Vegas and I honestly feel like it’s one of the best competitions out there, especially taking into consideration price, location, judging, entertainment value. It’s awesome. This year I think is the first year they are trying to do an east coast event, so I’m hoping people will take a chance on them so they’ll keep expanding.
 
Opinions will vary widely depending on where you are from and what you have experience with. There isn't really a "right" answer. Mine would be:

1. NCA
2. Worlds
3. (tie) CheerSport & Majors/JamFest
5. (tie) UCA/ACA/WSF/USA/ACP/Summit/etc.
Agree with your list...especially NCA being on top. So many athletes compete for many many years and never win a jacket.

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