What level rules need to be fixed or clarified?

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If there were only 2 people under an arabesque double one was counted as a base and one as a spot.

LEVEL 5 DISMOUNTS
A. Cradles from single based stunts must have a separate spotter with at least one hand/arm supporting the head and shoulder area through the cradle.
B. Cradles from multi-based stunts must have two catchers and a separate spotter with at least one hand/arm supporting the head and shoulder area through the cradle.

So with Rule B, what allows 2-man arebesque double down to be legal then... many teams did it this year
 
Rule "B" makes 2 man double downs illegal because there isn't a separate person catching the head/shoulders. "A" makes 2 man double downs legal because 1 person is considered the base and the other is the separate spotter supporting the head. If the safety judge considered both people bases and there wasn't a separate spotter catching, the stunt should have been called illegal. If the safety judge considered one a base and the other a spot it is legal.

The items that needs to be addressed is what is a base and what is a spot.

So with Rule B, what allows 2-man arebesque double down to be legal then... many teams did it this year
 
Wait, I thought they changed the rules for level 2 where you CAN do extended one legged stunts and only be braced on one side as long as it was hand-arm connection?? Or am I misunderstanding what you posted??

You can do extended single leg stunts with only one brace, BUT the connection must be made prior to executing the one leg stunt (ie no doing a LEGAL prep level one leg then connecting and pressing up to a LEGAL extended braced one leg) and the connection must be made at or below prep level (ie no doing a LEGAL extended two leg stunt making a connection to a prep and executing a LEGAL extended one leg with a brace). Does that make better sense??[/QUOTE]

Ok, wow! I did NOT know that! I completely agree that that needs to be changed. That's just absurd to me.
 
Here is one I just love!
I failed this test because I follow USASF rules!

Level 2....credentialing program. Written test... SINGLE LEG STUNT - #10.) Extended Liberty (with a brace on both sides)
TOP 1.) start prep level or below while having contact with a brace on both sides. 2.) Pull into liberty position as the stunt completes at the top and remain in contact with both braces.
NOW - USASF Safety rules 2010:

Extended single-leg stunts
1.must be braced by at least one person at prep level or below with hand/arm connection only.
2.The connection must be made prior to executing single leg stunt and must be made at or below prep level.
3. Prep level top persons (bracers) must have both feet in bases’ hands. (Exception: prep level top persons do not have to have both feet in the bases’ hands if they are in a shoulder sit, double base thigh stand, flat back, straddle lift or shoulder stand)
 
Wait, I thought they changed the rules for level 2 where you CAN do extended one legged stunts and only be braced on one side as long as it was hand-arm connection?? Or am I misunderstanding what you posted??

You can do extended single leg stunts with only one brace, BUT the connection must be made prior to executing the one leg stunt (ie no doing a LEGAL prep level one leg then connecting and pressing up to a LEGAL extended braced one leg) and the connection must be made at or below prep level (ie no doing a LEGAL extended two leg stunt making a connection to a prep and executing a LEGAL extended one leg with a brace). Does that make better sense??[/QUOTE]

KB - you could, but then you would fail the USASF credentialing test...
 
Ok, wait. I just went to Varsity TV and watched two different T&S level 2 teams. Both of them went from sponge to one legged stunt at prep level while bracing with the prep (at prep level), then pressed to extension. Are you saying this is illegal?? Why am I so confused on this?? Is it legal because they braced at the same time as executing one legged stunt at prep level?
 
Ok, wait. I just went to Varsity TV and watched two different T&S level 2 teams. Both of them went from sponge to one legged stunt at prep level while bracing with the prep (at prep level), then pressed to extension. Are you saying this is illegal?? Why am I so confused on this?? Is it legal because they braced at the same time as executing one legged stunt at prep level?

well, it depends. Are you going by the USASF current rules, or the credentialing test?
Because if the extended a single leg stunt under the rules, you only need one bracer, but you have to be connect before you extend to the single leg stunt.
If you go by the credentialing test, well then you have to have two bracers.
 
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I think the term backspot is silly. They are just as much a base as a main or side. If you called the backspot a backbase then everything can be referred to as bases.

Also this would help out stunting in coed a ton. If someone assists your stunt then suddenly they are another base. If they are just standing there for safety they are a spot. Look at that... I'm a friggin' genius.
 
My brain is a hot mess reading all the variations to the rules. Hence the need for a universal rule book, score sheet, etc.
 
Im going on record as being a broken record about this but I still believe that there should be a split in Sr. Open 5, coed and all girl. Ok I said it again. I also think Jump to STANDING backs should be legal lvl 4. Stupid you can do a Jump to handspring tuck but not a standing tuck, just dumb.
 
hopskipandjump said:
You can do extended single leg stunts with only one brace, BUT the connection must be made prior to executing the one leg stunt (ie no doing a LEGAL prep level one leg then connecting and pressing up to a LEGAL extended braced one leg) and the connection must be made at or below prep level (ie no doing a LEGAL extended two leg stunt making a connection to a prep and executing a LEGAL extended one leg with a brace). Does that make better sense??

KB - you could, but then you would fail the USASF credentialing test...[/QUOTE]

Or you would lose Cheersport when you should have won... But that's a horse of a different color, so to speak...
 
Mclovin said:
Ok, wait. I just went to Varsity TV and watched two different T&S level 2 teams. Both of them went from sponge to one legged stunt at prep level while bracing with the prep (at prep level), then pressed to extension. Are you saying this is illegal?? Why am I so confused on this?? Is it legal because they braced at the same time as executing one legged stunt at prep level?

You have to connect PRIOR to executing the single leg stunt for it to be legal according to the 2009-2010 rules
 
You know, I see a lot of threads here about making cheer more legit, but did ANYONE notice my post concerning THE TEST USASF GIVES AND THE RULES THEY ACTUALLY FOLLOW DO NOT MATCH????
Come on, I know some of you on this board have connections to the higher ups. No one - not even me - can take cheerleading seriously when the credentialing test and the rules for the governing body do not match. I would have thought someone would have taken up this cause. I am not stating an opinion, I am stating a fact. It should be changed. It's totally embarassing and there are a lot of typos too on the test.
 
You know, I see a lot of threads here about making cheer more legit, but did ANYONE notice my post concerning THE TEST USASF GIVES AND THE RULES THEY ACTUALLY FOLLOW DO NOT MATCH????
Come on, I know some of you on this board have connections to the higher ups. No one - not even me - can take cheerleading seriously when the credentialing test and the rules for the governing body do not match. I would have thought someone would have taken up this cause. I am not stating an opinion, I am stating a fact. It should be changed. It's totally embarassing and there are a lot of typos too on the test.

Did you notify them to let them know of the inconsistency?
 
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