All-Star 100's Of Hours Of Practice, Thousands Of Dollars, Plenty Of Blood, Sweat, And Tears...

kingston said:

..and it comes down to 5 minutes in one weekend. I want it to be right.

I say we bring back the universal scoresheet talk, and I recommend the Varsity scoresheet. It makes the most sense. Everything is balanced. It is simple and every category works the same (you cant accidentally award too many or too few points for a category) though you can do percentages like UCA to emphasize building if you really like... but the way the judges score doesn't change per competition. NCA and UCA handed out a score breakdown for each team which got rid of most of the mystery of how scoring works. There would be no misleading in the scoring (saying stunts are worth more but really its in tumbling). Want to reward actual coed stunting? Require it to get into the top rubric.

Thoughts?

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With you.

kingston said:

..and it comes down to 5 minutes in one weekend. I want it to be right.

I say we bring back the universal scoresheet talk, and I recommend the Varsity scoresheet. It makes the most sense. Everything is balanced. It is simple and every category works the same (you cant accidentally award too many or too few points for a category) though you can do percentages like UCA to emphasize building if you really like... but the way the judges score doesn't change per competition. NCA and UCA handed out a score breakdown for each team which got rid of most of the mystery of how scoring works. There would be no misleading in the scoring (saying stunts are worth more but really its in tumbling). Want to reward actual coed stunting? Require it to get into the top rubric.

Thoughts?

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Agree 110%.

Agreed!

I'm all for a universal scoresheet, whether Varsity or one made from scratch. But regarding your first statement, I've never seen too many ppl mention this, but I'd say this is also more of a case for reducing teams at Worlds. I'd like those judges to have the freshest eyes possible for each of those teams.

agreed!! 150%

Agree with you and have been for awhile.
I also think scores should be made public, but that's another day another drama.

No arguments here

I love the title of this along with the first line. So true!

And I also agree

Agreed.... but only because I drank the King Koolaid as a part of my initiation to join the fierceboard lol

I would like to add that I think the universal scoresheet needs to be weighted for each level, and it needs to have a quantity rubric for stunts. This includes coed, coed "style" in all-girl teams, and 4 person all-girl stunt groups scoring higher than 5 person groups. In other words, a team of 20 putting up 4 stretch tocks using fronts will not be able to outscore a team of 16 putting up 4 stretch tocks without fronts (assuming execution is the same).

I also think that tumbling should be weighted less than stunts. The push to get higher level tumbling skills certainly causes much more long term damage and injuries than pushing for harder stunts. You might get knocked in the face on a double down every now and then, but the repetitive impact of tumbling that is ruining your knees, ankles, wrists, back will be much more long term. That would help with technique, perfection before progression, and would certainly cut down on the injuries.

What do you think if it was weighted like:

Running Tumble + Standing Tumble= X
Tosses + Stunts + Pyramid= 3X

so, say each tumble category is out of 10, then each stunt category is out of 20.
And, yes, we need breakdowns... are we getting beat in pyramids? Who did I outscore in tumbling? etc.

kingston said:

..and it comes down to 5 minutes in one weekend. I want it to be right.

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I think everyone wants it to be right, we just have significantly different opinions of what right is.

Num1Stunta said:

I also think that tumbling should be weighted less than stunts. The push to get higher level tumbling skills certainly causes much more long term damage and injuries than pushing for harder stunts. You might get knocked in the face on a double down every now and then, but the repetitive impact of tumbling that is ruining your knees, ankles, wrists, back will be much more long term. That would help with technique, perfection before progression, and would certainly cut down on the injuries.

What do you think if it was weighted like:

Running Tumble + Standing Tumble= X
Tosses + Stunts + Pyramid= 3X

so, say each tumble category is out of 10, then each stunt category is out of 20.
And, yes, we need breakdowns... are we getting beat in pyramids? Who did I outscore in tumbling? etc.

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I think you just upset every gym owner who makes their living off of teaching tumbling classes. Don't think tumbling should be minimized at all.

socratesofcheer said:

I think you just upset every gym owner who makes their living off of teaching tumbling classes. Don't think tumbling should be minimized at all.

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Not "minimized"... it's still worth more than every other area on the score sheet except stunts. Why would that harm tumbling business? Name more than 5 gyms nationwide who legitimately have full team, maxed out tumbling? No one. So it's not reducing your tumbling numbers, it's just a way to help with avoiding so many injuries. We're not going to see all of those "doubles" that are landing with legs crossed and 1 3/4 rotation, because they'll be perfecting their fulls instead. It's even helpful in level 1-2. Think about it, how many times do you see janky back walkovers with bent legs and such in Level 1? Or crunched up bhs in Level 2? Coaches wouldn't be as likely to put these gross looking skills in to beef up their majority numbers if the tumbling were worth a bit less

Num1Stunta said:

Not "minimized"... it's still worth more than every other area on the score sheet except stunts. Why would that harm tumbling business? Name more than 5 gyms nationwide who legitimately have full team, maxed out tumbling? No one. So it's not reducing your tumbling numbers, it's just a way to help with avoiding so many injuries. We're not going to see all of those "doubles" that are landing with legs crossed and 1 3/4 rotation, because they'll be perfecting their fulls instead. It's even helpful in level 1-2. Think about it, how many times do you see janky back walkovers with bent legs and such in Level 1? Or crunched up bhs in Level 2? Coaches wouldn't be as likely to put these gross looking skills in to beef up their majority numbers if the tumbling were worth a bit less

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Inyour example of 3x point for stunts the tumbling is minimized. However, what you are talking about is execution not quantity. The top teams will still drive the quantity and, therefore, push others to do the same regardless of the point value.

socratesofcheer said:

Inyour example of 3x point for stunts the tumbling is minimized. However, what you are talking about is execution not quantity. The top teams will still drive the quantity and, therefore, push others to do the same regardless of the point value.

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I can see your point... but, i still think it should be less than stunts.
rt- 10
st- 10
jumps- 10
dance/motions- 10
stunts- 20
pyramid- 15
tosses- 15

^^^^better?