All-Star 2011-13 Usasf Cheer Rules

we_stand_alone · May 20, 2011

ok, so now im going to be the idiot, because i thought i understood all of this correctly.
A level three team can now do tick tocks, correct? Does that tick tock have to be held by the backspot the entire time? So more like a fake tick tock? Or can it be a REAL tick tock if its prep to prep?
Because if that's so, the level four teams can't do prep to extended tick tocks? that seems like an error in progresstion?
Even though im all for this because i hated how there was no set distinction between level 4 and 5 stunting.

Num1Stunta · May 20, 2011

we_stand_alone said:
ok, so now im going to be the idiot, because i thought i understood all of this correctly.
A level three team can now do tick tocks, correct? Does that tick tock have to be held by the backspot the entire time? So more like a fake tick tock? Or can it be a REAL tick tock if its prep to prep?
Because if that's so, the level four teams can't do prep to extended tick tocks? that seems like an error in progresstion?
Even though im all for this because i hated how there was no set distinction between level 4 and 5 stunting.

I'm going to give you my take on it, but I would say consult @Andre or @RulesGuy for a more definitive answer:

A level 3 team can do a TRUE tick tock at prep level or a SWITCH UP or BALL UP to prep level.

In level 3, tick tock that ends in an extended position MUST have the backspot holding the entire time.

In level 4, the tick tock rule is the same- must be held by the backspot- so, it's physically impossible to do high to high or anything other than lib to stretch low to high under those guidelines. So yes, that is not a distinction between level 3 and 4, as I am reading it.

In level 4, you can do a switch up, ball up, etc to extended position, which is the only real difference between level 3 and 4 non-twisting release moves.

Also, to add something that confuses me... in Level 4, we're saying fullup to two feet only- except a platform... which is one foot, so that seems ridiculous to me. If it's two feet, make it limited to extension and awesome.

Overall though, I like the changes... it has my choreography gears turning pretty quickly

imrichhowboutu · May 20, 2011

Num1Stunta said:
Yes, I call that "dead leg".... never would have known the term "platform" if I hadn't had a co-coach last yr from another program who called it that lol

I refer to them as 2 different things. To me, a dead leg is when you are doing a one leg stunt and not pulling any body positions.

A paltform to me is a cupie/awesome. When i do rewind platform or full up platform, i am telling my flyer i am going to catch both of your feet, then you can pull a body position.

Num1Stunta · May 20, 2011

imrichhowboutu said:
I refer to them as 2 different things. To me, a dead leg is when you are doing a one leg stunt and not pulling any body positions.

A paltform to me is a cupie/awesome. When i do rewind platform or full up platform, i am telling my flyer i am going to catch both of your feet, then you can pull a body position.

In that case, i would refer to that as an awesome/cupie if you're actually holding the foot... they should clarify this

GoldGal · May 20, 2011

Num1Stunta said:
In that case, i would refer to that as an awesome/cupie if you're actually holding the foot... they should clarify this

Justin confirmed for me that a platform is a dangle or a target - the position where the foot dangles before hitting a stretch, scale, etc. We call that a clean position. I am so glad that I wasn't the only one who didn't know what a platform is!

imrichhowboutu · May 20, 2011

Num1Stunta said:
In that case, i would refer to that as an awesome/cupie if you're actually holding the foot... they should clarify this

GoldGal said:
Justin confirmed for me that a platform is a dangle or a target - the position where the foot dangles before hitting a stretch, scale, etc. We call that a clean position. I am so glad that I wasn't the only one who didn't know what a platform is!

You've never been able to double from a dead leg in level 4. So i don't know why they would write it in a different way. It has always said you can only double from 2 feet. if bases are only holding one foot, youre not on 2 feet regardless of where your foot is. So that is what led me to believe that you can't double from a position where your feet are touching.

kristenthegreat · May 20, 2011

How long is 'held' though..that's my only question? One count? Two counts? Who decides how long 'held' is?

Deleted member 11199 · May 20, 2011

AHHH!!!! why did they change the restricted 5 rules!!!!! No standing fulls.... no whip fulls..... :mad:

kristenthegreat · May 20, 2011

POWERCOED4EVR said:
AHHH!!!! why did they change the restricted 5 rules!!!!! No standing fulls.... no whip fulls.....

That was in plan for at least a year, especially knowing the rules were gonna change in 2011. The original point of the level was for gyms who were trying to keep athletes in their gyms (particularly smaller gyms) by being able to offer a wide age range where the emphasis was more on stunting level 5 and they could get by with a full (not needing tons of doubles like you do in regular 5). By allowing those skills, gyms can just put anyone on their team and say 'oh, except you just need to not double'. Kinda defeats the purpose of an 'introductory' level 5 (which it's meant to be).

Also- I've noticed some of the wording needs to be cleaned up:
No stunt, pyramid, or individual may move over or under another, separate stunt, pyramid or individual
Example: shoulder sits walking under prep.
Exception 1: An individual may jump over another individual.
Exception 2: An individual may move under a stunt.

Didn't that just kinda defeat this whole thing? Or am I missing some part of the clarification that's necessary?

Allstarcesi · May 20, 2011

POWERCOED4EVR said:
AHHH!!!! why did they change the restricted 5 rules!!!!! No standing fulls.... no whip fulls.....

i feel like they did this to really level the playing field for the used-to-be open 5 division. I feel like a team that is mostly layouts and running fulls, wont have standing fulls. So i would think that it would prevent pple from stacking their open5 teams with girls that have double and standing fulls...if that makes sense.

AcaseA · May 20, 2011

kristenthegreat said:
Also- I've noticed some of the wording needs to be cleaned up:
No stunt, pyramid, or individual may move over or under another, separate stunt, pyramid or individual
Example: shoulder sits walking under prep.
Exception 1: An individual may jump over another individual.
Exception 2: An individual may move under a stunt.

Didn't that just kinda defeat this whole thing? Or am I missing some part of the clarification that's necessary?

I assume you are talking about level 4...

The word "individual" in the first section is necessary, because one person can move under a stunt (to help make pyramid transitions easier for the bases), but they still can't go over a stunt or pyramid.

Also I am pretty sure they wanted to keep the wording the same for this rule which is also in levels 1-3 so not to confuse people.

imrichhowboutu · May 20, 2011

AcaseA said:
I assume you are talking about level 4...

The word "individual" in the first section is necessary, because one person can move under a stunt (to help make pyramid transitions easier for the bases), but they still can't go over a stunt or pyramid.

Also I am pretty sure they wanted to keep the wording the same for this rule which is also in levels 1-3 so not to confuse people.

Right. The first part says over or under and has multiple people.

If they changed the wording it would have to be no stunt or pyramid may move over or under another separate stunt or pyramid or under an individual. An individual may move under a stunt or pyramid but not over.

ChEeRxxLoVe · May 20, 2011

Num1Stunta said:
I'm going to give you my take on it, but I would say consult @Andre or @RulesGuy for a more definitive answer:

A level 3 team can do a TRUE tick tock at prep level or a SWITCH UP or BALL UP to prep level.

In level 3, tick tock that ends in an extended position MUST have the backspot holding the entire time.

In level 4, the tick tock rule is the same- must be held by the backspot- so, it's physically impossible to do high to high or anything other than lib to stretch low to high under those guidelines. So yes, that is not a distinction between level 3 and 4, as I am reading it.

In level 4, you can do a switch up, ball up, etc to extended position, which is the only real difference between level 3 and 4 non-twisting release moves.

Also, to add something that confuses me... in Level 4, we're saying fullup to two feet only- except a platform... which is one foot, so that seems ridiculous to me. If it's two feet, make it limited to extension and awesome.

Overall though, I like the changes... it has my choreography gears turning pretty quickly

I'm pretty sure you can't TRUE tick tock at prep level in level 3... because the rule states that you have to originate below prep level which means you could only SWITCH UP or BALL UP to prep level

cheeromgbre · May 20, 2011

so can you or can you not do a ball up to extension (2 feet) in level 4?

Anyways, i'm feeling bad for the level 4 teams that can stunt better than level 5 teams.

annauk · May 20, 2011

cheeromgbre said:
so can you or can you not do a ball up to extension (2 feet) in level 4?

yes you can.

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