All-Star Cheer Athletics (questions/rumors)

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We have somewhere in the mid sixties total. Pretty sure that is the most, but Stingrays can't be much more than 10-15 behind that. Remember that there used to only be a few divisions during the first few years, so you couldn't really rack up the numbike like you can the last few years. They give out more titles every year now than they did total in the first 10 years put together.

We don't really do anything big with the trophies, but we are kind of proud of our "NCA wall" of banners. I'll try to find a pic.
Is the NCA wall of fame up to date? I got bored and added up titles. And according to that and this years results, you have 58 and Rays has 56.
 
Is the NCA wall of fame up to date? I got bored and added up titles. And according to that and this years results, you have 58 and Rays has 56.

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I didn't feel like going back & quoting the other post but here's a picture of part of the NCA wall.
 
Is the NCA wall of fame up to date? I got bored and added up titles. And according to that and this years results, you have 58 and Rays has 56.

They have listed the 1995 Open division as "Texas All-Stars", but didn't list the program. (CA had two teams "Tigers" and "Texas All-Stars" that year.) That was the year of the awful blue-jean NCA jackets. Other than that, I believe they have the division winners listed correctly.

For our internal counting purposes, here are our personal guidelines for when to count a "title" - your opinion may vary.


  1. We do NOT count individual, partner stunt, or other small group titles.
  2. We only count all-star titles, we do NOT count team training or college/hs teams we have done choreography for - even if they trained exclusively in the gym.
  3. We DO count OVERALL grand champion & overall program champion IF and ONLY IF it is an announced, official title given by the EP. (NCA no longer awards "program champion")
  4. We DO NOT count "level champion" or "senior high-point", etc that does not include the entire set of competing teams.

Going off of your count (+1), having officially won grand champion 5 times (oddly enough with 5 different team names in 5 different divisions) and program champion once, I think that puts our "number of NCA Titles" at 65. (We don't count the other years we had highest score before they gave an official "grand champ" and we don't count our dance title). If you prefer to go by a different number, then that is up to you.

After a point, we have stopped focusing on the numbers of titles. When there are dozens, if not hundreds of gyms that can brag that they have "hundreds of national championships", it gets to the point where it sounds more absurd than impressive.


In a related note, I have spent much of the day today taking down some of our old banners from the rafters. We quit hanging new ones a few years ago (other than NCA/Worlds) and we think it makes the gym just look cluttered. I don't think too many people are worried about how many competitions we won in 1995-96 anymore.
 
For our internal counting purposes, here are our personal guidelines for when to count a "title" - your opinion may vary.

  1. We do NOT count individual, partner stunt, or other small group titles.
  2. We only count all-star titles, we do NOT count team training or college/hs teams we have done choreography for - even if they trained exclusively in the gym.
  3. We DO count OVERALL grand champion & overall program champion IF and ONLY IF it is an announced, official title given by the EP. (NCA no longer awards "program champion")
  4. We DO NOT count "level champion" or "senior high-point", etc that does not include the entire set of competing teams.
That is pretty good. I wonder how many other programs count things that most would consider inaccurate.

And thats the for the explanation. I never knew there was a different name.
 
Different people count things differently. I suppose most tend to use methods that put themselves in the best light. (Which is understandable.) If you had won grand champions multiple times (CA, SOT, TG), then you probably want them counted. If you hadn't yet won those type of titles, then you probably would argue that they shouldn't count.

As far as I know, there is no "official" count.
 
I don't think too many people are worried about how many competitions we won in 1995-96 anymore.

Wrong. There are some people that appreciate the history of the sport. And there aren't that many people still around that are able to document that history (not meant to be an age crack!).

There needs to be a way to remember and allow for admiration for those that helped pave the way.

How can we do that?
 
Wrong. There are some people that appreciate the history of the sport. And there aren't that many people still around that are able to document that history (not meant to be an age crack!).

There needs to be a way to remember and allow for admiration for those that helped pave the way.

How can we do that?

I have tried to keep a record of as much of that as possible (about NCA and Worlds). As far as I know, the spreadsheet that I have is the most complete record of the results that anyone has. I know the folks at NCA have tried to go back and find some of the missing years in the spreadsheet, but haven't come up with more. We basically know all of the champions, but we don't have a complete record of all results or scores.

All Star in the 90s was very different from the 2000s. The advent of various levels really changed things immensely. The industry also gained many new events and event producers. While these things were positive overall, they definitely had the effect of lessening the meaning of the term "national champion" and changing the dynamics of competitions. Comparing the two eras is difficult.

As far as "admiration" goes, that is for someone else to decide.
 
@BlueCat

When Wildcats left large coed I believe you said the reasons were the dynamics of that division and not wanting continue Wildcats as a loss leader. (Please correct me if I'm off on this). What changed an led to having Cheetahs and Wildcats in the 2 most male dominated division for the upcoming season?

What teams do you miss competing against, because they are no longer around, one of you switched divisions, or they have fallen off?
 
@BlueCat

When Wildcats left large coed I believe you said the reasons were the dynamics of that division and not wanting continue Wildcats as a loss leader. (Please correct me if I'm off on this). What changed an led to having Cheetahs and Wildcats in the 2 most male dominated division for the upcoming season?

What teams do you miss competing against, because they are no longer around, one of you switched divisions, or they have fallen off?

You are essentially correct about the reasons for us leaving. The divisions Cheetahs and Wildcats are in are vastly different to what large coed had become (or was becoming). Both teams are limited to a max of 50% males (assuming teams are full.) This is makes a HUGE difference to the financial dynamic of the teams. (You don't have to beg & borrow so much to have a competitive team.) If only the rules committee had had the foresight to enact that two years ago . . .

I miss the ORIGINAL Pro Cheer - they were the original powerhouse all-star program. I also miss Champion Outlaws & Cheers Inc.
 
There are tons of rumors about CA! It's a huge, successful program that has been around a long time. This whole thread is about clearing up things you have heard and want to know the truth about. It is not about Bluecat starting, spreading or telling rumors. It is about you asking him about things you want to understand better. That is why he asked you to be more specific. You are asking him to tell you the rumors. That would take him all year!
ohhh now i get ittt haha thank you
 
You are essentially correct about the reasons for us leaving. The divisions Cheetahs and Wildcats are in are vastly different to what large coed had become (or was becoming). Both teams are limited to a max of 50% males (assuming teams are full.) This is makes a HUGE difference to the financial dynamic of the teams. (You don't have to beg & borrow so much to have a competitive team.) If only the rules committee had had the foresight to enact that two years ago . . .

I miss the ORIGINAL Pro Cheer - they were the original powerhouse all-star program. I also miss Champion Outlaws & Cheers Inc.

Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty familiar with both Pro Cheers and believe they started the same season. I also talked to the Cheers Inc. owner about a week ago. She is an incredible person.
 
The "old" Pro Cheer must have started no later than around 1992-3 or so. I don't remember the Georgia one being around then.
 
The "old" Pro Cheer must have started no later than around 1992-3 or so. I don't remember the Georgia one being around then.

I know the Kansas City one started with the 1992-93 season. That coach is the one that told me there was a Pro Cheer that started in Georgia the same year with the same colors. That's what I based my prior statement on.
 
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