All-Star The Majors By Jamfest Events

Just-a-Mom said:

OK. I've sort of answered my own question. I guess if this isn't a Worlds bid event, and if it's Jam trying to make their own Worlds-like event, then I suppose USASF divisions wouldn't really matter? So maybe Jam has decided that they're only going to have 2 divisions in AG - large and small? I. am. so. confused. But I would assume if you're trying to branch out and compete against USASF and not giving bids you can divide teams up however you gosh darned well please.

ETA: Rich I just saw your answer after I posted. But those teams don't have 30 members. So how is it 30-36 members?

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What teams don't have 30 members? Medium is up to 30. I assume most Medium teams will max out on athletes. And again, it doesn't really matter. Everyone is a little to hung up on the divisions here. It is like the first worlds - All girl and Coed. I am sure the teams are all fully aware of what they are getting themselves into.

The age grid is set up as follows.....
Senior all girl is 5-36 members
Then you split it into small, 5-20 and large, 21-36
Then you split it from large, 21-36 to medium, 21-30 and large, 31-36

imrichhowboutu said:

The age grid is set up as follows.....
Senior all girl is 5-36 members
Then you split it into small, 5-20 and large, 21-36
Then you split it from large, 21-36 to medium, 21-30 and large, 31-36

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But Jam doesn't have to split this way, if they don't want to, correct? Like, they could just stop at Small and Large?

imrichhowboutu said:

What teams don't have 30 members? Medium is up to 30. I assume most Medium teams will max out on athletes. And again, it doesn't really matter. Everyone is a little to hung up on the divisions here. It is like the first worlds - All girl and Coed. I am sure the teams are all fully aware of what they are getting themselves into.

The age grid is set up as follows.....
Senior all girl is 5-36 members
Then you split it into small, 5-20 and large, 21-36
Then you split it from large, 21-36 to medium, 21-30 and large, 31-36

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I am not hung up on the divisions - I received a message from someone who is "too close to comment" (as I often do...I guess I am the "go to" person for things other people don't want to/can't post ) who was curious about the divisions. As I stated, I answered myself. If it's a Jam event that is not linked to Worlds in any way, then they can make any division they want to. If they aren't giving out bids then the divisions don't matter. I just know people were confused by Panthers and Supers being listed under Large when both have stated they will go Medium this year. But since it's not a USASF event, no reason to use USASF divisions.

***And for the record, the "teams" are not fully aware. Their coaches may be...but people on these teams have said they have "no freaking clue" what is going on.

meanj said:

Lol, I was careful to denote it was a rumor. (I remember Level 5 Awards, and the outcry and disappointment over Odyssey's bid situation, I think it was Matrix that got the bid over them.)

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Whether I dispel rumors or not in a public forum - people are going to believe what they want.

Best of Luck and most of all athletes have fun and spectators enjoy the show. I know I will be from a distance...

Just-a-Mom said:

***And for the record, the "teams" are not fully aware. Their coaches may be...but people on these teams have said they have "no freaking clue" what is going on.

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OK, but what do they really need to be aware of? If Jam decides that LAG is 21+, that doesn't necessarily affect the makeup of a Medium team, so it's not a big deal, I don't think.

Mamarazzi said:

OK, but what do they really need to be aware of? If Jam decides that LAG is 21+, that doesn't necessarily affect the makeup of a Medium team, so it's not a big deal, I don't think.

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Um...that they're not competing at Super Nationals for a bid anymore? I'd want to be aware of that. I was answering Rich about his statement that the teams know what they are getting into. If I was going all the way to Indy from...say...Virginia or Texas... I might want to know what I was going for.

Just-a-Mom said:

Um...that they're not competing at Super Nationals for a bid anymore? I'd want to be aware of that. I was answering Rich about his statement that the teams know what they are getting into. If I was going all the way to Indy from...say...Virginia or Texas... I might want to know what I was going for.

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We know what we are competing for - a fully paid trip to London to perform at the European Championships. Most of those teams have multiple other chances to get Worlds "paid" bids at other events. I'm not sure what the confusion is.

Regardless, money-wise, getting a paid trip to London is much more valuable than getting a partially paid trip to Orlando. ("Paid" bids don't usually cover all of the expenses for Worlds anyway.)

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BlueCat said:

We know what we are competing for - a fully paid trip to London to perform at the European Championships. Most of those teams have multiple other chances to get Worlds "paid" bids at other events. I'm not sure what the confusion is.

Regardless, money-wise, getting a paid trip to London is much more valuable than getting a partially paid trip to Orlando. ("Paid" bids don't usually cover all of the expenses for Worlds anyway.)

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Get em @BlueCat !!!

Mamarazzi said:

OK, but what do they really need to be aware of? If Jam decides that LAG is 21+, that doesn't necessarily affect the makeup of a Medium team, so it's not a big deal, I don't think.

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Some coaches and owners may not have told their teams yet because Jamfest hadn't announced it, and the more people that know, the more it leaks and rumors spread and people get hung up on rumors and don't wait for the facts. So as a favor to Jamfest, they didn't announce it to their teams until Jamfest did.

BlueCat said:

We know what we are competing for - a fully paid trip to London to perform at the European Championships. Most of those teams have multiple other chances to get Worlds "paid" bids at other events. I'm not sure what the confusion is.

Regardless, money-wise, getting a paid trip to London is much more valuable than getting a partially paid trip to Orlando. ("Paid" bids don't usually cover all of the expenses for Worlds anyway.)

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You are a coach, are you not? I spoke to a parent and a child. I believe I stated above that the coaches were aware. I was merely clarifying that the "teams" don't necessarily have the info. The coaches do. (Which is what I said, quite clearly). I have no opinion on the value of the prize...since I won't be going to London OR Orlando.

But ok. As I said, I asked the question for someone else.

Dear Someone Else,

I really could not care less what divisions Jam uses for their event. I could not care less what teams go to this. I could not care less if these teams are aware, or just their coaches are aware. I was only trying to help you get some clarification for something you couldn't ask about (and now I see why you couldn't...JEEEEEZ......). Sorry to tell you, but you are on your own after this.

Sincerely,

My kids are Level 2. We don't care what y'all Level 5 people divide up into.

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Just-a-Mom said:

You are a coach, are you not? I spoke to a parent and a child. I believe I stated above that the coaches were aware. I was merely clarifying that the "teams" don't necessarily have the info. The coaches do. (Which is what I said, quite clearly).

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I'm pretty sure Bluecat meant "we" collectively as a gym. Since CAMom started the thread, she's probably aware of many details.

Regardless, even though you don't care, for anybody who was curious about your original question about divisions; my guess it has more to do with the point in time the idea was conceptualized. Not even gyms themselves can ever say with 100% certainty what their final division will be till the end of the summer. But something like this, Jamfest probably had to get the ball rolling ASAP. Invitations were probably discussed then sent out, and it would be up to the gyms to decide if they were or weren't at any disadvantage competing based on what USASF division they were.