All-Star Scary Fall For Mich St Cheerleader

Ashley said:

Double fulls were banned from Nationals before that incident I thought? I think I was a sophomore in college when she fell (actually I was in Atlantic City at our league tournament when the rules went into effect) and I don't believe double fulls were allowed my freshman year, 2005-2006. At basketball games no flipping baskets are allowed, no double downs (or full downs?), no twisting tumbling, no 2 1/2 high pyramids, no one armed coed stunts (cupies/awesomes). I think that's the gist of it.

This story blew up on my newsfeed last night with lots of former college cheerleaders mad because as others have said, this is exactly the reason why we're so limited at games. And also, first rule of cheerleading is catch your flyers. Every team I've been on, especially coed, this has been drilled into our heads. Take car of your girls!

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Limiting 2 1/2 highs, back flipping baskets, certain tumbling on hard wood might have "limited" your team at games since the 2006 (?) decision by the NCAA (?) but it has certainly limited catastrophic injury on a non-matted surface. Isn't this a good thing?

I was thinking you could not do rewinds, full ups, or copies in college. Did that stunt not do a full up? I remember our coach would not let us do cupies, full ups, etc. at games.

FamousRudags said:

I was thinking you could not do rewinds, full ups, or copies in college. Did that stunt not do a full up? I remember our coach would not let us do cupies, full ups, etc. at games.

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It was a grainy video so I couldn't tell but it looked like a walk in or a cowboy up or something. There was def a half or full twist tho

FamousRudags said:

I was thinking you could not do rewinds, full ups, or copies in college. Did that stunt not do a full up? I remember our coach would not let us do cupies, full ups, etc. at games.

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You can't do full ups unspotted on a basketball court. You can do them with a spot.

I don't know if it was the horrible filming because it is definitely hard to see... but isn't there another girl behind the stunt spotting? Like I said, my eyes could be playing tricks on me but I could've sworn I saw a girl back there not spot...

NikkiB said:

I don't know if it was the horrible filming because it is definitely hard to see... but isn't there another girl behind the stunt spotting? Like I said, my eyes could be playing tricks on me but I could've sworn I saw a girl back there not spot...

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I thought I saw that too.

There was someone behind the full up because she caught the girl that fell out of the full up. But there was no one behind the shoulder stand that the girl got pull down out of which caused the head injury.

So the question has to be asked, if it was on spring floor would she have had as bad of an injury?

coachrah said:

Limiting 2 1/2 highs, back flipping baskets, certain tumbling on hard wood might have "limited" your team at games since the 2006 (?) decision by the NCAA (?) but it has certainly limited catastrophic injury on a non-matted surface. Isn't this a good thing?

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But has it limited catastrophic injuries? How many incidents were there before the limit was place and how many have there been since the limit? Let's not pretend for a second that that's why the NCAA put this rule in place - they did it so the cheerleaders don't hold up the game that people are paying to see.

And, if it were about athlete safety, someone would be after West Virginia to change their rules. Those high school teams compete on a hard floor, which is arguably more dangerous than one pyramid performed to counts that's meant to pump up the crowd.

I don't necessarily disagree with it - there's less pressure to perform skills you're not comfortable with the limits, something I know was an issue with out team - games were an opportunity to perform nationals skills in front of a crowd. But it comes down to being smart coaching. Most college cheerleaders can do a back tuck toss in their sleep, but it would be prudent of coaches to throw in an extra spotter or two for pyramids done on the grass at a football game or on a hard court. We didn't even to preps in pyramids on the basketball court without a backspot.

kingston said:

So the question has to be asked, if it was on spring floor would she have had as bad of an injury?

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theres been falls at allstar competitions where people have been carried out on stretchers as well.

kingston said:

So the question has to be asked, if it was on spring floor would she have had as bad of an injury?

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I have had girls fall out of preps in the very same manner that this girl did out of the shoulder stand and other than crying a little bit (they are youth/mini aged girls) they were just fine. So my answer is no. I don't think she would have been carried off on a stretcher had it been on a spring floor.

laughAlittle said:

theres been falls at allstar competitions where people have been carried out on stretchers as well.

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but, in your opinion, if everything else was the same except the surface the skills were performed on and she landed in the exact same manner on a spring floor do you think she would have been as badly injured?

retiredl5cheer said:

What flyer in their right mind grabs the flyer next to her to save herself? I thought we were taught not to do that on mini teams.

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This little old team at about 1:20

kingston said:

but, in your opinion, if everything else was the same except the surface the skills were performed on and she landed in the exact same manner on a spring floor do you think she would have been as badly injured?

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no one will ever know, & I doubt anyone will want to repeat that accident.

laughAlittle said:

no one will ever know, & I doubt anyone will want to repeat that accident.

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it isn't about knowing, it is about opinion. you can form an opinion based on what you know and what you think would likely would have happened, can't you?