All-Star Xtreme Spirit, Wisconson Dells

twistinnUout said:

The real problem here is xtreme spirit as a whole. It really is no surprise why XS has lost some of the biggest names in the midwest such as UA and GBE. Also is no surprise why ICE never goes to xtreme spirit competitions. This weekend was seriously a WASTE of time and money. We also will NEVER be going back to an xtreme spirit competition. Regardless of other sports and money, this was very wrong. How are you as a competition owner going to pay a team in one way or another to come to your competition and then pay for them to go to worlds?! Like seriously?! what is wrong with you? Not only is this unfair because Top Gun was already pretty much guaranteed that bid, but it makes Xtreme Spirit look TERRIBLE. Oh and dont think that top gun stayed in just any hotel, they stayed in a luxurious house paid by xtreme spirit. Not to take credit away from Top Gun, but in my opinion Indiana Ultimate is the one that really deserved that paid bid. Top guns performance on day one would have not scored the way they did at any other competition! They were 9 POINTS AWAY FROM A PERFECT SCORE, WITH 5 DROPPED STUNTS. Not including their other mistakes. Indiana Ultimate had just as much difficulty if not more and they were far behind Top Gun. Oh and not to mention that the panel of judges arent even real judges, they had some 18 19 year olds with no knowledge of level 5 cheerleading. Xtreme Spirt should NOT be aloud to give out bids, after this weekend, numerous coaches are writing letters to USASF because this is seriously a sorry excuse of a world bid competition. Warm ups were messed up and not in order, and there was serioulsy like a half hour gap in between every teams performance. We had such a long wait from our warm up to the time that we actually had to perform that there really was no point of even "warming up". You could also tell that the owner of xtreme spirit kept going up to the judges table and seemed as if they were constantly arguing about something.. it really looked a little odd and to put the cherry on top XS treated top gun like GODS. When they performed they closed all their booths and all went up to the judges tables to record them...., they also had security scooting people back from the mat when they came on, they didnt do that for any other team. All that xtreme spirit accomplished this weekend is getting a WORSE reputation. I really hope USASF does something about this. I hope xtreme spirit realizes how much business they have lost. all just in the dream of having a team such as top gun represent you at worlds.

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NEliteSteven said:

Yes, unfortunately there were occurances this weekend that sort of left a bad taste in our mouth. Besides scheduling issues with our crossovers due to the small number of lower level teams, we also had issues with incorrect deductions for 2 of our teams on the first day, and had to wait almost 3 hours to get that taken care of. (With that said, The safety judge couldn't have been nicer and more apologetic.) However, then the icing on the cake for Day 2 was when our Junior 3 team was announced at awards as 3rd, and was a far ahead 1st on day 1. They read the results backwards, and so the team lost "their moment". Equally terrible is the team that was announced 1st, that were probably even more disappointed when they realized they weren't.
Not to mention, the scoresheet is completely bogus. A tumbling touchdown is -1, and a stunt fall is -1? A tumbling bust is -5 and a stunt fall is -5?? That's crazy. Not to mention they didn't reward difficulty at all. Our Senior 4 on day 1 with 15 kids, did 4 tick up stretch full downs, then 3 tick ups, 3 1 1/2 ups, 3 full arounds, and some other transitional stuff. Day 2 we took out 2 of the full arounds, and made the 4 tick up stretches go straight up just to make sure they hit clean and we got the same difficulty score...Uh??? It doesn't make sense.

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twistinnUout said:

OH MY GOD THANK YOU! EXACTLY MY POINT MADE. I know you saw us day two in one of the halls, we took ALL the difficulty out of our stunts and put up ALL straight up stunts just to prove a point. Which is why I am saying that it is so unfair that top gun can drop that many stunts yet THEIR difficulty is recognized.

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NEliteSteven said:

Glad we weren't the only team that didn't understand the judging. What gym are you from?

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socratesofcheer said:

Professional Golf tournaments pay "appearance" fees for players all the time. As a matter of fact this happens in most individual sports all the time. While cheerleading is not an individual sport, it does have the same type of scheduling as individual sports.

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cheerforcebboi said:

Now that I think about it, the week of Battle Under The Big Top in Atlanta we asked if Top Gun was bringing their i5 team and Drkilluzionz said that they were not because the kids couldnt afford it! He said something along the lines of "The poor college kids of i5!" And now magically 2 weeks later their able to afford hotels, airfare, and comp fees to Wisconsin?! Atlanta is a heck of a lot closer to Miami than Wisconsin and on such short notice! So yeah I'm sure this was rigged and I feel sorry for the teams that competed thinking they had a chance at that bid. Can't say that I blame Top Gun. Free Vacation, Hotel, & a Paid Worlds Bid!!! Now thats the life!

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twistinnUout said:

The real problem here is xtreme spirit as a whole. It really is no surprise why XS has lost some of the biggest names in the midwest such as UA and GBE. Also is no surprise why ICE never goes to xtreme spirit competitions. This weekend was seriously a WASTE of time and money. We also will NEVER be going back to an xtreme spirit competition. Regardless of other sports and money, this was very wrong. How are you as a competition owner going to pay a team in one way or another to come to your competition and then pay for them to go to worlds?! Like seriously?! what is wrong with you? Not only is this unfair because Top Gun was already pretty much guaranteed that bid, but it makes Xtreme Spirit look TERRIBLE. Oh and dont think that top gun stayed in just any hotel, they stayed in a luxurious house paid by xtreme spirit. Not to take credit away from Top Gun, but in my opinion Indiana Ultimate is the one that really deserved that paid bid. Top guns performance on day one would have not scored the way they did at any other competition! They were 9 POINTS AWAY FROM A PERFECT SCORE, WITH 5 DROPPED STUNTS. Not including their other mistakes. Indiana Ultimate had just as much difficulty if not more and they were far behind Top Gun. Oh and not to mention that the panel of judges arent even real judges, they had some 18 19 year olds with no knowledge of level 5 cheerleading. Xtreme Spirt should NOT be aloud to give out bids, after this weekend, numerous coaches are writing letters to USASF because this is seriously a sorry excuse of a world bid competition. Warm ups were messed up and not in order, and there was serioulsy like a half hour gap in between every teams performance. We had such a long wait from our warm up to the time that we actually had to perform that there really was no point of even "warming up". You could also tell that the owner of xtreme spirit kept going up to the judges table and seemed as if they were constantly arguing about something.. it really looked a little odd and to put the cherry on top XS treated top gun like GODS. When they performed they closed all their booths and all went up to the judges tables to record them...., they also had security scooting people back from the mat when they came on, they didnt do that for any other team. All that xtreme spirit accomplished this weekend is getting a WORSE reputation. I really hope USASF does something about this. I hope xtreme spirit realizes how much business they have lost. all just in the dream of having a team such as top gun represent you at worlds.

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cheerforcebboi said:

Now that I think about it, the week of Battle Under The Big Top in Atlanta we asked if Top Gun was bringing their i5 team and Drkilluzionz said that they were not because the kids couldnt afford it! He said something along the lines of "The poor college kids of i5!" And now magically 2 weeks later their able to afford hotels, airfare, and comp fees to Wisconsin?! Atlanta is a heck of a lot closer to Miami than Wisconsin and on such short notice! So yeah I'm sure this was rigged and I feel sorry for the teams that competed thinking they had a chance at that bid. Can't say that I blame Top Gun. Free Vacation, Hotel, & a Paid Worlds Bid!!! Now thats the life!

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ztaprincess said:

I wasn't going to comment about this because it is a he said/she said type of thing but after reading this and then remembering when this was said the same thought popped in my head. If a team is trying to save money then by not attending BUTBT then why fly further to Wisconsin for a bid? I can totally understand if they thought it would be have a better way to spend the money because they would have had a better chance at the bid, but when so many are saying something it makes a person wonder.

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ICE_it_up said:

The best visual example I can give is Jacob Murray from CA Wildcats 2006 worlds. Center Jumper. There is a signifficant difference between a toe touch and an "around the world" I also think there is a Video of Bucky doing one as well.

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katstat1 said:

I would like to see Top Gun's Day 1 performance as well. They did look great on day 2, but heard that they didn't do so well on day 1, yet were still in 1st place. If they looked good both days and earned that bid, then great. Maybe someone that was there and saw them both days could let us know more about how day 1 went and if they thought they deserved to be in 1st after Day 1.

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Drkilluzionz said:

Hmmmm, I guess I should be more careful with what I say and more importantly who I say it to. Regardless I did say that but Ive also mentioned that our i5 spent thousands of dollars last year to attend two competitions last season in hopes of a bid, did well at both winning their divisions and high score at one of them and did not receive bids b/c they were an open team. Those two competitions were Battle Under the Big Top and Jamfest Indy.

Xtreme Spirit has been on i5's schedule for this year just as long as the other competitions. A former coach whom we love and support does in fact work with them now and it was through him that we found out the company would offer a paid bid to an open team if they were deserving. We are also attending Xtreme Spirit comps throughout Fl for the sole reason of supporting him in his new career venture.

It's called strategy folks...our Open Hip Hop attends Cheersport then and again b/c they offer partial bids to dance teams...Our i6 attends US Spirit b/c they offer partial bids to Open teams...Coed tries their damndest to be ready by Battle Under the Big Top b/c our program loves to represent them...and if we had a 5th Worlds team we'd probably try to figure out what will work best for them to achieve their ultimate goal as well, that doesn't mean we have secret dealings going on with Kevin, Brian and Dennis.

A lesser known gym can put 4+ bid competitions on a schedule and unnecessarily spend thousands of dollars trying to attain a bid but a more well known gym cant apply the same philosophy and just do it smarter?

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