All-Star 2012-2013 Changes To The Usasf Age Grid

ztaprincess said:

That was for last year, the rules released today highlighted in yellow the world "ALL" when talking about the cut off date. It said that non-US teams will have to wait for the IASF to release their updated rules, but I would think if the US teams have to follow it then the International teams will as well.

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Nope.

"For non-U.S. teams choosing to compete in U.S. Club team divisions (i.e. Junior, Senior Coed, etc…), these teams must follow the U.S. Club restrictions listed below.
For non-U.S. teams competing in International divisions, please see the IASF AGE GRID for restrictions."

IASF rules grid (also released today):
"The age of a competitor will be determined based on the date of birth falling during the "Year of the Competition." Example: A competitor turning 14 on December 31, 2013 will be eligible to compete at the 2013 Worlds in an International Open Level 5 Division.

Ashley said:

The link she posted was dated today for 12-13.

"International Open Cheer –
For non-U.S. teams competing in International divisions, please use the restrictions listed below.
For U.S. teams competing in International divisions, use the restrictions on the USASF Age Grid."

It sounds like they're saying IASF and USASF could have different age rules...

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That makes it confusing because how can both be over worlds but have different age guidelines. Basically the rules are going to be different for US teams and International teams. The USASF is on a roll when it comes to ticking me off lately. I guess this is what Mr. Peterson meant by they were working to solve the issue.

ztaprincess said:

That makes it confusing because how can both be over worlds but have different age guidelines. Basically the rules are going to be different for US teams and International teams. The USASF is on a roll when it comes to ticking me off lately. I guess this is what Mr. Peterson meant by they were working to solve the issue.

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It does say that the IASF grid could change for level 6 when they get together and meet, but currently, yes, IASF is Dec. 31 and USASF is Aug 31.

And I5 is 15 for the US and 14 for Non-US! Crazy!

Ashley said:

It does say that the IASF grid could change for level 6 when they get together and meet, but currently, yes, IASF is Dec. 31 and USASF is Aug 31.

And IO5 is 15 for the US and 14 for Non-US! Crazy!

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I really hope for my sanity that they are both the same. I knew that it said they wouldn't know until the IASF updates everything offically, but if it is different then I am going to be an angry woman.

Of course the ages are going to be different for the level 5 divisions, they are forgiving and all remember. Ugh I need to take over the USASF.

Is the reason that USASF doesn't go to "year of the competition" age ranges overall because the competition year spans two calendar years, and it would cause kids to be considered different ages throughout the course of one season? It would make sense, to me, to go with the international standard if we're trying to make this an international sport (rather than this kind of artificial 31 Aug cut-off date), but I could understand how that would be confusing over the course of a traditional cheer (ie 2 calendar year) season.

I wish it went by year of competition. It'd be so much easier!

Ashley said:

It does say that the IASF grid could change for level 6 when they get together and meet, but currently, yes, IASF is Dec. 31 and USASF is Aug 31.

And I5 is 15 for the US and 14 for Non-US! Crazy!

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Just to be clear, the USASF Date is August 31, 2012 and the IASF Date is December 31, 2013, more than a year apart.

Andre said:

Just to be clear, the USASF Date is August 31, 2012 and the IASF Date is December 31, 2013, more than a year apart.

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If this stays the same then that makes it 10x worse.

ztaprincess said:

If this stays the same then that makes it 10x worse.

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That's how it was for Worlds 2012.

Andre said:

That's how it was for Worlds 2012.

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But US teams were allowed to add members for Worlds under the Dec 2012 age, just not the regular season. For this won't it mean that the US teams follow August 2012 for the regular season AND worlds? So while the US athletes have to be say 17 for IOC6 by August 2012 for Worlds 2013, a team from China gets to have athletes that are 17 by December 2013 for Worlds 2013.

ztaprincess said:

But US teams were allowed to add members for Worlds under the Dec 2012 age, just not the regular season. For this won't it mean that the US teams follow August 2012 for the regular season AND worlds? So while the US athletes have to be say 17 for IOC6 by August 2012 for Worlds 2013, a team from China gets to have athletes that are 17 by December 2013 for Worlds 2013.

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Not just that, but they increased the age for US athletes (to 15, while keeping the international age min at 14) in International Open 5... so it is conceivable that a first-year-eligible athlete from the US would be 16 at Worlds while a first-year-eligible international athlete could be 13 at Worlds.

ztaprincess said:

But US teams were allowed to add members for Worlds under the Dec 2012 age, just not the regular season. For this won't it mean that the US teams follow August 2012 for the regular season AND worlds? So while the US athletes have to be say 17 for IOC6 by August 2012 for Worlds 2013, a team from China gets to have athletes that are 17 by December 2013 for Worlds 2013.

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I assumed it would be the same as Worlds 2012, but have nothing to support that.

joytomylifex said:

Ok, one more thing. Love the prep division. Last year we had a midseason team for the first time, and had a large mix of kids. The prep division allowed them to go to big competitions and not come in last place against full year teams. They LOVED it, parents loved it, and almost all joined the full year program this year. But, why 2 minutes? Why wouldn't they compete a normal routine?

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I think the time limit is to discourage teams from competing in prep at one event and standard all star at another event?



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What do they mean by Small Gym issues? Do they mean they are evaluating the division of small gym or the age rules as they relate to small gyms?

joytomylifex said:

But, why 2 minutes? Why wouldn't they compete a normal routine?

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Ashley said:

Maybe because it could be a half year team or a team that practices less frequently, it's less skills they have to worry about. It's easier to perfect a routine that's 20% shorter? I dunno.

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SarahS said:

That's what I'm wondering, too. It's not like the scoresheets will be different for this division - they'll still have to do the same skills, just in less time. Strange.

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I would assume it is to keep the less-than-savory gyms from exploiting the division with their normal teams. it's really hard to pull 30 seconds out of your routine when its been choreographed to 2:30.