All-Star Cali Aces Jamz Incident

MECheerMama said:

The tumbling in groups between each other back and forth scares the crap out of me. Granted the "fanciest" running tumbling my CP can do right now is a RO.. and I have virtually zero first hand exposure to anything above level 2.. But another question..

As long as I've watched these videos I have always wondered.. Is it generally a given that these athletes will throw these skills in a straight line? When I watch these advanced teams throw these synchro tumble ROBHS blah blah full etc etc with some going one way diagonally and some going the other..

1) How often do they drift?
2) When YOU are the tumbler.. Are you aware of your surroundings and can you act to change your trajectory or are you SOL?
3) Can they do that pass through tumbling at any level or is it only allowed at the upper levels? I would read the rules myself but some of them I don't quite understand yet.

Before I was on fb I thought it would be cool if CP were to make a level 5 team someday. Now between all the broken bones from falling out of stunts or tumbling and torn ACLs from doing fulls etc.. I'm just not so sure. Is it almost a given that if you stick to this you're going to break at some point?

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You just have to remember that that formation has been in probably since choreo, and if they haven't had a problem with it before today then that's why it stayed like that. Also, because of the amount if months they have been together, the coach would also know if the person tumbles crooked from line tumbling. But to answer your question:

1) Just depends on the person. I personally drift when I tumble due to having uneven hips, so they best way to 'counteract' that is to remember to think to push backwards in my handspring rather than go with the way my body naturally goes

2) Generally, yes, you can see where you are in your tumbling, though some people like to tumble with their eyes closed, so obviously not. For example: when I am upside down in a handspring (think of the handstand position) because my face is right next to the floor I can see how close to the line I am or if I'm perfectly down the center. If I do find myself veering off to the side, when I snap down I move toward the center so I can get back on track (think of a handstand snap down). But if you are in a bounding skill (tuck, layout, full, etc) the only way would probably be to see your surroundings before you set for the skill so you can see what you need to do to be where you need to be.

3) I'm not sure what specific pass you're talking about, so it's hard to say

And don't be afraid to have your daughter be on a level 5 team! That's what she should be striving for! Fluke ACL tears happen always! I'm recovering from one now, but I know some people hurt it either doing fulls when they can double double perfectly, or just from doing cuts while running. Sorry this was so long!

Saw this on Instagram

Monae said:

3) I'm not sure what specific pass you're talking about, so it's hard to say

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Thnks so much for taking the time to answer that so thoroughly. All of this stuff is do foreign to me but its fascinating. I figured it was unlikely that everyone tumbles straight but these videos so seldomly show these people making truly visible (to me anyway) mistakes while tumbling (I don't count not completing a pass since I don't really know when they don't do what they are supposed to.) that its a bit hard to "get" it.

As for the third question... It surprises me zero that I don't make sense lol but what I mean is not the specific passes but that.. Formation (?) where they travel from the corners or the sides "at" and then through each other doing their synchro tumbling.. Do they regulate who (levelwise) can do that or no? I'm just assuming its maybe more likely that 20 minis backhandspringing through each other are more likely to take each other out than a bunch of seniors doing.. Whatever it is they do. Obviously my daughters small (mini 1) team of 4 does no synchro to speak of lol.

cupieqt said:

I have a dumb question. I've watched the video 3 times and I saw the tumbling collision with the two girls. What happened to the others? There were 4 injuries?

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The girl with the ankle brace who roundoff fulled in the opening tore her ACL.
She marked her two to a full and then limped off stage to the right.

MECheerMama said:

Thnks so much for taking the time to answer that so thoroughly. All of this stuff is do foreign to me but its fascinating. I figured it was unlikely that everyone tumbles straight but these videos so seldomly show these people making truly visible (to me anyway) mistakes while tumbling (I don't count not completing a pass since I don't really know when they don't do what they are supposed to.) that its a bit hard to "get" it.

As for the third question... It surprises me zero that I don't make sense lol but what I mean is not the specific passes but that.. Formation (?) where they travel from the corners or the sides "at" and then through each other doing their synchro tumbling.. Do they regulate who (levelwise) can do that or no? I'm just assuming its maybe more likely that 20 minis backhandspringing through each other are more likely to take each other out than a bunch of seniors doing.. Whatever it is they do. Obviously my daughters small (mini 1) team of 4 does no synchro to speak of lol.

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Lol you probably made perfect sense, but I was watching my show and responding to you at the same time, and lord knows I'm not the best multi tasker!

To be honest, I've never specifically heard of a certain rule about it but I assume it would be more of a 'coaches mentality' type of thing. Meaning coaches would trust a 16 year old more with that before they would a 6 year old. Lol! But maybe someone else on the board can share more insite onto that?

We are aware of the California All Stars situation at Jamz this weekend. We are looking into this and will continue to everything we can to continue the strides we have made in safety for the All Star industry. We extend our thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery to the young ladies that were injured.

The safety of the athletes are first and main goal.

RulesGuy said:

We are aware of the California All Stars situation at Jamz this weekend. We are looking into this and will continue to everything we can to continue the strides we have made in safety for the All Star industry. We extend our thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery to the young ladies that were injured.

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I guarantee we come back to this thread in 3 months and nothing has happened. If fact, Im gonna bookmark this page on my computer and actually come back to in 3 months to see what the "USASF" does.

My first thought is that every competition needs people that sit right near the mat like NCA && part of their job is to communicate to the judges/music person/medical attention to stop music and get help. There can be some signal or have ear piece communication. It is a little easier to see when you are right there up close. If someone needs medical attention or will need medical attention when the music is done, the music needs to stop. Then the team can have time to rework and they mark up to the spot of injury & continue.

Or us coaches all need to have red flags like football refs so that when the person at the music box/judges don't realize there has been 2 athletes carried off the floor and another one that is center/ up front for majority of the routine has blood everywhere they can throw it to the front of the mat and the music is stopped immediately [joking] I am not blaming that center flyer for continuing the routine at all I know I would've tried to do the same thing but she could have been seriously injured seeing as a hit like that could easily of caused a concussion. What if she blacked out/passed out in the middle of her tumbling pass && landed on her neck, etc.

when it comes to the tumbling crash between the two girls, im kinda surprised that this hasnt happened more often, thinking back to past teams who do tumbling like that, im surprised top gun coed hasnt had some major injuries/collisions when it comes to their tumbling, maybe they have in practice idk.

this is not the 1st major injury /collision in cheer. I have seen my fair share of broken bones, compound fractures, people passed out on the comp floor. etc... This was just a high profile team that had a really bad day.. Could the situation have been handled better? Yes. A learning experience for coaches, event producers, and gym owners... at the cost of these poor athletes.

Now I wonder... how long before we see these girls back on the floor... A head injury is nothing to take lightly... I hope they are not counting on these girls to compete anytime soon...

After reading this thread and seeing the pictures, I can't even bring myself to watch the video.

Ouch. I hope all those girls get well soon

I'd just be happy if there was some requirement that EMTs be on site in a competition. There was a serious tumble crash at Cheersprot Charlotte this month (best we saw the feet of one tumbler were taken full on to the face of the other one) this was a lv 5 restricted team. It was bad. BATB two? years ago I watched that awesome girl from CEA on jr5 (Edith I think) blow her femur in the opening few counts. Femur...not a sprained ankle....the largest, strongest bone in the body.

In both cases there were NO EMTs, it took well more than 20 minutes to clear the injured girls from the mat and the EP, girls, parents etc had to sit around and wait for the EMTs to get there after someone called 911.

That is ridiculous. With the type of stunting and tumbling a typical cheer competition sees (saw a guy at American championships last year throw his double...OFF THE RAISED STAGE...like mosh pit, caught by the parents in priority seating...off the stage). Thankfully, he was literally caught by the crowd who tossed him back on stage and he was fine....but heavens that was scary!

There was no EMT on site there either.

I'm thinking its a small price to pay for the EP to have them there in comparison to the bankruptcy the EP will face when our litigious society decides to sue the pants off of anyone and everything they can when the unexpected happens.

12stepCheermom said:

I'd just be happy if there was some requirement that EMTs be on site in a competition. There was a serious tumble crash at Cheersprot Charlotte this month (best we saw the feet of one tumbler were taken full on to the face of the other one) this was a lv 5 restricted team. It was bad. BATB two? years ago I watched that awesome girl from CEA on jr5 (Edith I think) blow her femur in the opening few counts. Femur...not a sprained ankle....the largest, strongest bone in the body.

In both cases there were NO EMTs, it took well more than 20 minutes to clear the injured girls from the mat and the EP, girls, parents etc had to sit around and wait for the EMTs to get there after someone called 911.

That is ridiculous. With the type of stunting and tumbling a typical cheer competition sees (saw a guy at American championships last year throw his double...OFF THE RAISED STAGE...like mosh pit, caught by the parents in priority seating...off the stage). Thankfully, he was literally caught by the crowd who tossed him back on stage and he was fine....but heavens that was scary!

There was no EMT on site there either.

I'm thinking its a small price to pay for the EP to have them there in comparison to the bankruptcy the EP will face when our litigious society decides to sue the pants off of anyone and everything they can when the unexpected happens.

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this. when i was in high school, we held an annual local high school comp as a fundraiser for our nationals trip. our profit was no where near the scale of these huge companies and we still made sure part of the budget went to having an EMT on hand the entire day.