All-Star Cali Aces Jamz Incident

nikaa_twist said:

Um wait? You don't have EMT at competitions?

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That is correct. This is a MASSIVE pet peeve of mine.

it's in country law that at every sports event EMT has to be there ( either it's football game or cheerleading competition)

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And here in lies the problem. Cheerleading is not considered a sport in the U.S. by the majority of the population.

MomOf2ThatsMe said:

That is correct. This is a MASSIVE pet peeve of mine.



And here in lies the problem. Cheerleading is not considered a sport in the U.S. by the majority of the population.

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But there was (?) EMT's at this competition. Jamz states that they were escorted to an area for medical attention.

Was this a USASF sanctioned event? Does part of membership sanctioning include insurance? Is Jamz a member of the USASF as an event producer and therefore follows their sanctioning guidelines? Was there a guideline in place for injury during a routine?

It doesn't matter what the general population thinks about sport status. NCAA determines sport status at the collegiate level. NFHS determines the highschool level. IOC/USOC at the amateur sport level.

nikaa_twist said:

Um wait? You don't have EMT at competitions?
We have EMT at EVERY competition. In warm up room and on the side of the competition stage. It's in country law that at every sports event EMT has to be there ( either it's football game or cheerleading competition)
USAF you have time to talk about NO high five after you hit the routine but you don't talk about having EMT at every competition. Oh you really disappointed me this time.

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There are EMT's at every event I've ever attended. Event producers should know that from day 1.

Since this situation happened this past weekend, we (the USASF) have been working closely with California All Stars and JAMZ. I can tell you that I have been very impressed with their input, advice and suggestions. Both of these organizations are very passionate about working with the USASF to create protocols regarding athlete safety. Below is a statement from JAMZ that they have requested for me to post:

JAMZ knows the cheer world joins us in wishing a speedy recovery and well wishes to the athletes from last weekend’s competition. The incident has generated a question over the proper time to ‘stop’ a cheer routine.

In this specific case, when the incident occurred, both the athletes’ coaches and event personnel were concerned for the athletes. The athletes who left the mat were immediately escorted to an area designated for medical attention. At this point neither the Coaches nor the Event Officials stopped the routine because the visible injuries were off the floor, athletes continued exceptional performance, and the safety of the remaining athletes did not seem to be in question. Once the remaining injury was discovered the routine was stopped immediately.

We are dedicated to the safety and well-being of our athletes. We have contacted and are working with the USASF to create additional clear protocols as it relates to stopping a performance. We also hope these protocols can be put in place throughout the industry.

JAMZ

Along with what everyone else has said, I still think it needs to be reiterated...

Should ANYONE step off the mat for medical attention, the routine should be stopped. As someone posted in this thread (I think?), at least one Aces athlete had no clue what was going on. I think we can safely assume more than one had no clue. I shudder to think what could happen in stunts / pyramids if an athlete(s) is missing.

Absolutely broke my heart to see the girl continue on and nothing being stopped! Hoping for everyone to have a safe rest of the season and I'm continuing to pray for Aces and the girls that were injured...any update as to how they are healing?

RulesGuy said:

Since this situation happened this past weekend, we (the USASF) have been working closely with California All Stars and JAMZ. I can tell you that I have been very impressed with their input, advice and suggestions. Both of these organizations are very passionate about working with the USASF to create protocols regarding athlete safety. Below is a statement from JAMZ that they have requested for me to

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I think it's great that this accident has prompted USASF to reevaluate safety protocols.

This is the kind of government that we have been asking for- let's change the direction of this conversation from what should have been done at Jamz, to what might be helpful in the future.

With any luck, RulesGuy will hear our suggestions and bring them to the table.

I'm a little bitter about the collision injury, because in my opinion, the music should have been stopped before that anyway. ACL tears are quite frequent now, and I feel the routine should have been stopped IMMEDIATELY at that point, as to me it was a clear sign she was hurt. Just my opinion!

Well.....this probably won't be a popular comment/question, BUT....
If girls had been taken off the floor, and medical personnel were working on them, Why would the other hurt girl bother to keep going? I just don't agree with placing 100% blame on the EP. If I tore my ACL and wanted to keep going, I'd keep going. If I didn't want to keep going, I'd walk off the floor. Isn't there some level of athlete responsibility in a situation like this? I doubt this girl has a ton of ill-will towards Jamz, because she made the decision to keep going....I'm sure she was a bit aware there were athlete/s that were already off the floor since she was involved in the crash.
That's just my 2 cents. Of course, I hope they have a speedy recovery and aren't too traumatized.

Here's my issue with that logic for continuing the routine:
If you carry that logic to a larger competition that carries more weight in the year than a first competition like this one, you're scoring a team missing 2 athletes. If this exact incident occurred at Worlds and those involved used the logic "the injuries are off the floor," this team has to then compete their pyramid, baskets, stunts, etc., without 2 members, which I'm assuming would effect their score.
Secondly, when did this whole "the injuries are off the floor" logic begin? Seems like a way to cover your behinds, because I have seen routines stopped at almost every major competition whether the athlete has left the floor or not, and there were plenty of instances where the athlete had left the floor before the music was stopped.

NEliteSteven said:

Well.....this probably won't be a popular comment/question, BUT....
If girls had been taken off the floor, and medical personnel were working on them, Why would the other hurt girl bother to keep going? I just don't agree with placing 100% blame on the EP. If I tore my ACL and wanted to keep going, I'd keep going. If I didn't want to keep going, I'd walk off the floor. Isn't there some level of athlete responsibility in a situation like this? I doubt this girl has a ton of ill-will towards Jamz, because she made the decision to keep going....I'm sure she was a bit aware there were athlete/s that were already off the floor since she was involved in the crash.
That's just my 2 cents. Of course, I hope they have a speedy recovery and aren't too traumatized.

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I believe that the girl that kept going was a girl who had landed a round off full funny during the opening. I don't believe she was one of the ones who was involved in the crash...
Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

FierceandFearless said:

I believe that the girl that kept going was a girl who had landed a round off full funny during the opening. I don't believe she was one of the ones who was involved in the crash...
Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

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No, the girl who hurt her knee walked off the floor to the right right after the stunt.

FierceandFearless said:

I believe that the girl that kept going was a girl who had landed a round off full funny during the opening. I don't believe she was one of the ones who was involved in the crash...
Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

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the girl that kept going is the girl who was in the wrong panel during the collision.

Mclovin said:

No, the girl who hurt her knee walked off the floor to the right right after the stunt.

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tuckxandxtwist said:

the girl that kept going is the girl who was in the wrong panel during the collision.

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thank you and thank you. I apologize for my misunderstanding

FierceandFearless said:

I believe that the girl that kept going was a girl who had landed a round off full funny during the opening. I don't believe she was one of the ones who was involved in the crash...
Anyone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong

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Point flyer (one of the ones with the gash in her head, I believe) went on. She was involved in the crash. I'm not sure if the girl with the torn ACL went on or not. (people already said this before I hit post, it was an easy mistake to make though with everyone running around the mat, no worries!) But I agree NEliteSteven , if the athlete feels well enough to go on, they will go on. If they don't, they will stop. If the athlete is on the ground and cannot get up, the EP will stop the music. If the athlete gets up to continue, they will let it go on. They had no idea how bad the incident was until the team got off the floor. They probably assumed the athlete was fine since she flew point and did all of her tumbling passes. If you saw someone get up from a collision and do all that, I doubt anyone would stop the music. You'd stop it until you saw blood, right? Until you saw how bad that injury actually is. Which is exactly what they did.

I think everyone is making a huge deal about this. People got hurt, they got the medical attention they required and they are/will be OK. The ones who couldn't go on removed themselves from the floor and the ones who thought they could go on, did. Does USASF need to re-evalute safety protocols? Probably. But this specific situation has been blown out of proportions. :chillpill: