All-Star Spirit Of Texas And Top Gun Illegal Passes?

cheerinfo said:

Only the FIRST double has those requirements. The second one does not.

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I agree, that's my point. Regardless of hand whip double whip double or hand whip full whip double, both end without 2 non twisting elements preceding them

yojaehs said:

I agree, that's my point. Regardless of hand whip double whip double or hand whip full whip double, both end without 2 non twisting elements preceding them

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In your second example, you have a full in between the first double and the non twisting skills though. That is where the illegality is. In your first example, you have no twisting skills between the two non-twisting skills and the double. Hence, one legal, the other is not. But I don't necessarily disagree with you that it is silly.....

cheerinfo said:

In your second example, you have a full in between the first double and the non twisting skills though. That is where the illegality is. In your first example, you have no twisting skills between the two non-twisting skills and the double. Hence, one legal, the other is not. But I don't necessarily disagree with you that it is silly.....

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Double whip double, full whip double, both have a non-twisting skill before the double.

You lost me there.....

yojaehs said:

Double whip double, full whip double, both have a non-twisting skill before the double.

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if i understand correct what you mean, you would need another non-twisting skill between the full and the double for it to be legal

whip full whip double is LEGAL...you cant twist punch twist so the whips separate the skills.

THEFIERCEONE said:

whip full whip double is LEGAL...you cant twist punch twist so the whips separate the skills.

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NO...it is NOT legal. You MUST have two NON twisting skills IN A ROW IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THE FIRST DOUBLE!!!!! So a whip, full, whip, double is NOT legal. Before the first double you must have at least ONE bhs and another non-twisting skill (a second bhs or a whip....NO fulls)

cheerinfo said:

NO...it is NOT legal. You MUST have two NON twisting skills IN A ROW IMMEDIATELY PRECEDING THE FIRST DOUBLE!!!!! So a whip, full, whip, double is NOT legal. Before the first double you must have at least ONE bhs and another non-twisting skill (a second bhs or a whip....NO fulls)

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ACTUALLY YOUR WRONG! IM USASF CERTIFIED AND HAVE A GIRL ON MY SENIOR 5 Team who does whip full whip double and we've competed three times already and have not gotten deducted for it, read into your rules closely

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THEFIERCEONE said:

ACTUALLY YOUR WRONG! IM USASF CERTIFIED AND HAVE A GIRL ON MY SENIOR 5 Team who does whip full whip double and we've competed three times already and have not gotten deducted for it, read into your rules closely

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The way you've posted this definitely doesn't raise your credibility. No need for all caps. No need for "actually YOU'RE wrong." cheerinfo is clearly trying to be of assistance, you're not.

The fact that this is even an argument and nobody knows only further proves my point.

The rule is stupid and confusing. And it better be fixed for next year-and by fixed, I mean removed and a PROPER solution put in place that actively discourages people from trying things they're not ready for (in a way that REALLY prevents injuries), instead of punishing people who can do things that others can't. One that consults doctors, tumbling specialists, and people who can clearly and concisely write rules in a way that doesn't need 20 people to explain them. Again, the road to the devil is paved with good intentions..

Batch said:

The way you've posted this definitely doesn't raise your credibility. No need for all caps. No need for "actually YOU'RE wrong." cheerinfo is clearly trying to be of assistance, you're not.

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oh im sorry i didnt mean for it to be in cap locks.

Andre, can you weigh in on the legality of @THEFIERCEONE's whip full whip double?

THEFIERCEONE said:

ACTUALLY YOUR WRONG! IM USASF CERTIFIED AND HAVE A GIRL ON MY SENIOR 5 Team who does whip full whip double and we've competed three times already and have not gotten deducted for it, read into your rules closely

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I have been safety certified and an active rules/safety judge for 8 years (yes, even before they started certifying). And just because you have not been caught, doesn't mean it's legal. You need to email Les. I assure you that a whip, full, whip double is NOT legal. Les emailed and tweeted last week about this. You must have two non-twisting skills CONNECTED IMMEDIATELY preceding the double. I am sorry if you need to change this pass, but it will eventually get called, at least it will at the larger events with multiple safety judges it will be called. But email Les exactly the pass you posted here and see what his response is. If he says legal to EXACTLY what you typed here (whip, full, whip, double), then I will believe it. Until then, I believe I am clear on the rules.

THEFIERCEONE said:

ACTUALLY YOUR WRONG! IM USASF CERTIFIED AND HAVE A GIRL ON MY SENIOR 5 Team who does whip full whip double and we've competed three times already and have not gotten deducted for it, read into your rules closely

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And are you talking standing tumbling? So she does a standing whip, full, whip double? Or are you saying she does this in a running pass (i.e. round off whip, full, whip, double)??