All-Star Spirit Of Texas And Top Gun Illegal Passes?

Andre said:

Illegal.

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Just curious why hand whip whip double is illegal and yet hand whip double is legal?

chyeeaaa69 said:

Just curious why hand whip whip double is illegal and yet hand whip double is legal?

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Due to the fact that one of the two skills immediately preceeding the double isn't a handspring.

This is a hot mess.

I'm really hoping USASF revises these rules heavily next season and works on wording. The fact that many passes considered "easier" are illegal and some harder passes are legal is stupid

chyeeaaa69 said:

Just curious why hand whip whip double is illegal and yet hand whip double is legal?

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Are you curious about the rule I would cite or the reasoning behind it? I can only help with one.

chyeeaaa69 said:

I'm really hoping USASF revises these rules heavily next season and works on wording. The fact that many passes considered "easier" are illegal and some harder passes are legal is stupid

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Be careful what you wish for. The easiest thing for everyone to understand in banning tumbling altogether.

Andre said:

Be careful what you wish for. The easiest thing for everyone to understand in banning tumbling altogether.

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The stupidest thing USASF could do is ban tumbling all together.

The "Slippery slope" concept is a logical fallacy, there's no point discussing the impossible so debate within the logical parameters of the believable.

Edit: This goes for both sides of the argument.

chyeeaaa69 said:

I'm really hoping USASF revises these rules heavily next season and works on wording. The fact that many passes considered "easier" are illegal and some harder passes are legal is stupid

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Many passes? I believe the example in to a full, 1 skill into double is the largest inconsistency to progressions that are currently in the rules. Are there other places where you feel like the skill progressions don't match level progressions?

AndyT_T said:

The stupidest thing USASF could do is ban tumbling all together.

The "Slippery slope" concept is a logical fallacy, there's no point discussing the impossible so debate within the logical parameters of the believable.

Edit: This goes for both sides of the argument.

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Would you have preferred I said 1 flip and 1 twist?

Little is impossible. A ban on tumbling is not one of those things.

Andre said:

Would you have preferred I said 1 flip and 1 twist?

Little is impossible. A ban on tumbling is not one of those things.

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Go on, Tell us the impossible ;-)

championprincess said:

Many passes? I believe the example in to a full, 1 skill into double is the largest inconsistency to progressions that are currently in the rules. Are there other places where you feel like the skill progressions don't match level progressions?

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Not sure what you're meaning here, but using an example is that a two to double whip double is legal, yet a two to full whip double is not (if I'm reading the rules correctly). To me it seems like an unintended result of the rules, but regardless.

chyeeaaa69 said:

Not sure what you're meaning here, but using an example is that a two to double whip double is legal, yet a two to full whip double is not (if I'm reading the rules correctly). To me it seems like an unintended result of the rules, but regardless.

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Your post stated there were MANY passes and stated that you hoped they HEAVILY revised the rules. I took from that you felt there were other examples of inconsistent progressions throughout the rules, which I don't see, but was interested to hear your point of view on.

championprincess said:

Your post stated there were MANY passes and stated that you hoped they HEAVILY revised the rules. I took from that you felt there were other examples of inconsistent progressions throughout the rules, which I don't see, but was interested to hear your point of view on.

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There are more than what I stated, but if I compare two passes, anyone could argue that the legal one is easier than the illegal one. The two to double/full whip double instance is one I'm sure most can agree on that the legal version is harder, and has more of a risk of injury, than the illegal version.

chyeeaaa69 said:

There are more than what I stated, but if I compare two passes, anyone could argue that the legal one is easier than the illegal one. The two to double/full whip double instance is one I'm sure most can agree on that the legal version is harder, and has more of a risk of injury, than the illegal version.

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I think we all agree on that instance. Are there other examples?

This makes me think of gymnastics; To discourage a lot of gymnasts who weren't ready, getting injured, or just not good enough from attempting the Amanar vault for its high start value the FIG lowered the difficulty value from a 6.5 to a 6.3. I'm not sure how effective it has been because the gymnastics season hasn't really started. But maybe cheer could create a Code of Points like system for tumbling skills where you get a certain amount of points for doubles, fulls, etc. but not making rebounding skills a lot of points? So maybe athletes who weren't ready wouldn't compete those skills because they wouldn't earn many points by doing them? I don't know if this would work or makes sense to anyone else but me, but I just kind of saw the similarities between the situations.