All-Star Level 3 Legality Question

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i posted this on facebook but wanted to post it here to see what everyone thought.


In the video below at 2:01 they do a full up to the top in their pyramid. they are braced on both sides with preps. we used to do this but got a 2 point safety deduction at a wsf comp in December because they said it was illegal. ive seen this done by level 3 teams last year and this specific team has been doing it all season. i don't understand why it is illegal. in the rules this is what it states:

Clarification 3: Twisting mounts and transitions are allowed up to 1 twist, if connected to two bracers at prep level or below. The connection must be made prior to the initiation of the skill and must remain in contact throughout the skill.
These release transitions may not involve changing bases.
These transitions must be caught by at least 2 catchers (minimum of one catcher and one spotter).
Both catchers must be stationary.
Both catchers must maintain visual contact with the top person throughout the entire transition.

this seems like it is legal to me. its not a release move. its not an inversion. it does not say where the twisting transition needs to stop. it says in the level 3 stunt rule that you cannot full up to an extended position. but this is not a stunt. it is a pyramid transition. i don't think that we should have gotten the legality for it. what do you guys think? I just cant see why it is illegal. especially since this team has been doing it all year. at varsity competitions.



 
The one on the right looks like that..but the one on the left gets it all the way to the top. it was def meant to go all the way to the top.
 
My senior coed 3 team did this exact move at 4 Varsity competitions without anything ever being said, then last weekend at Athletic Championships, on day 1, we got a 2 point deduction for it. I think my coach said something about it has to be an actual release move in order to be legal, as in the flyers feet have to come out of the bases hands. We changed it for day 2, the bases grabbed a basket grip at the bottom and were able to fully release the flyers feet while she spins and then re-grab at the top. It looked and seemed way more illegal but it is actually legal. I may have a video I can post of the legal version.
 
My senior coed 3 team did this exact move at 4 Varsity competitions without anything ever being said, then last weekend at Athletic Championships, on day 1, we got a 2 point deduction for it. I think my coach said something about it has to be an actual release move in order to be legal, as in the flyers feet have to come out of the bases hands. We changed it for day 2, the bases grabbed a basket grip at the bottom and were able to fully release the flyers feet while she spins and then re-grab at the top. It looked and seemed way more illegal but it is actually legal. I may have a video I can post of the legal version.

yea if you could post it that would be great. that just seems crazy. its illegal when its safer but its legal when its harder? the illegal way you have someone holding on the whole time. the legal way you have to fully release. doesn't make sense. someone needs to fix these rules. because no where does it say that doing it the way its in the video is illegal.
 
yea if you could post it that would be great. that just seems crazy. its illegal when its safer but its legal when its harder? the illegal way you have someone holding on the whole time. the legal way you have to fully release. doesn't make sense. someone needs to fix these rules. because no where does it say that doing it the way its in the video is illegal.
I know! That is exactly what my coaches and everyone on my team said after we got the deduction for it. It is crazy. My coach said that they are going to change the rules because a lot of people have been having trouble understanding why this move would be illegal. I will try a put the video on today if I can.
 
thanks icheer8796 for posting this. that's exactly what we did. they really need to revisit some of these rules. the way my team & your team did this is so much safer than what they say we should be doing. crazy!
by the way - we're senior red too!:D
 
I think it is illegal because it say "these release transitions" and since it doesnt release it is illegal

i posted this on facebook but wanted to post it here to see what everyone thought.


In the video below at 2:01 they do a full up to the top in their pyramid. they are braced on both sides with preps. we used to do this but got a 2 point safety deduction at a wsf comp in December because they said it was illegal. ive seen this done by level 3 teams last year and this specific team has been doing it all season. i don't understand why it is illegal. in the rules this is what it states:

Clarification 3: Twisting mounts and transitions are allowed up to 1 twist, if connected to two bracers at prep level or below. The connection must be made prior to the initiation of the skill and must remain in contact throughout the skill.
These release transitions may not involve changing bases.
These transitions must be caught by at least 2 catchers (minimum of one catcher and one spotter).
Both catchers must be stationary.
Both catchers must maintain visual contact with the top person throughout the entire transition.

this seems like it is legal to me. its not a release move. its not an inversion. it does not say where the twisting transition needs to stop. it says in the level 3 stunt rule that you cannot full up to an extended position. but this is not a stunt. it is a pyramid transition. i don't think that we should have gotten the legality for it. what do you guys think? I just cant see why it is illegal. especially since this team has been doing it all year. at varsity competitions.

 
our level 3's do the same flip. I think that is a bad angle of the WE team. We have front spots and they are connected to the flyer at all times. If you watch closely, you can see where there is a front spot that is stepping to the side and holding on during the whole flip.
 
our level 3's do the same flip. I think that is a bad angle of the WE team. We have front spots and they are connected to the flyer at all times. If you watch closely, you can see where there is a front spot that is stepping to the side and holding on during the whole flip.

I was talking about the full up part they do in the pyramid. Not the flip part. At 2:01 in the video.
 
I feel this is one of those rules that seems out of progression due to OTHER rules preceding it in the level, or whatever. According to the rules, as written, it would appear that the correct explanation is icheer8796 says. It is legal if you release but are braced on both sides (arm-to-arm) and catch after the release. It appears that it is illegal if you don't release as defined in the transition/stunts sections. RulesGuy....can you clarity/confirm?
 

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