All-Star Roll Out 'spring Floor'

King said:

Are you saying no matter what is underneath there will be damage? That is the part I am missing. Like why cnt there be enough put under the foot to prevent damange? What is causing the damage?

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In my 20 years of working with gymnastics equipment, no. At least when it comes to a hardwood floor. There will always be some scuffing. If the floor is waxed, it'll buff out-but the AD won't be thrilled.

King said:

Not straps, interlocking wood.

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That increases the cost immensely.

MissBee said:

In my 20 years of working with gymnastics equipment, no. At least when it comes to a hardwood floor. There will always be some scuffing. If the floor is waxed, it'll buff out-but the AD won't be thrilled.

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This is only with spring floor on top of rubber mat or happens with just mats you roll out as well?

MissBee said:

That increases the cost immensely.

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How much does it increase the cost?

King said:

This is only with spring floor on top of rubber mat or happens with just mats you roll out as well?

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Just the spring floor. Foam block floor is fine.

King said:

How much does it increase the cost?

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Depends on the market price of plywood.

MissBee said:

Just the spring floor. Foam block floor is fine.



Depends on the market price of plywood.

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Then we have the first solution. Just use foam block.

I believe there is a solution to create interlocking blocks that will be based on good engineering.

I think you bring up great points but not impossible to overcome. And if they are overcome and there is a system created think of the potential. No more hard floor again ever.

MissBee said:

Just the spring floor. Foam block floor is fine.



Depends on the market price of plywood.

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foam makes the most sense because of weight.

Foam is definitely lighter, so easier to move around.

It's also easier to replace if one get torn off. They just glue back on. If you use steel coil springs, they screw into the plywood-so the whole board needs to be replaced.

We already spoke to people who make the air floor tumbling strips...

the issue with them is regulating the pressure between the strips of air floor, and eliminating dead spots where the strips join...

the air floor are also not designed to take more than 2 - 3 people on them at once. 10 standing tucks landing them on them at once would most definitely pop them.

Also we as an event provider use a 'portable spring floor', with 6 people it sets up in 30mins...

its a normal metal spring floor, high density wood so that only one layer of wood is need, the layer that holds the spring... it is held together at the join by aluminium slots, and them the tops are velcro front to back, side to side to hold the floor together and stop from sliding apart.

it works a treat! pack up record is 20mins so far, on a 7 panel floor.

flipmac said:

Also we as an event provider use a 'portable spring floor', with 6 people it sets up in 30mins...

its a normal metal spring floor, high density wood so that only one layer of wood is need, the layer that holds the spring... it is held together at the join by aluminium slots, and them the tops are velcro front to back, side to side to hold the floor together and stop from sliding apart.

it works a treat! pack up record is 20mins so far, on a 7 panel floor.

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I'm thinking this as some variant of a foam block floor may be most efficent with current air floor limitations (I'm sure if the market was there, 10 years could easily see materials science and engineering improvements to make a full portable airfloor feasible.) Wheels and hinges may make the sections more portable for daily use or just load up the sections onto a rolling cart to keep portability at a maximum.

Would the use of a full squad (20-35ish) cut down that 30 minute mark by any significance? Thinking the intial load-in/layout of panels might go quicker. Plus, every-day practice might not need the full setup, maybe only a half floor a good portion of the time. If teams saw a realistic 15 minute setup on a half sized floor, and they had the storage space they may be interested to make the switch over assuming they have full size dead mats to start with - is a full set of dead mats common enough to make it a realistic generalization?

flipmac said:

Also we as an event provider use a 'portable spring floor', with 6 people it sets up in 30mins...

its a normal metal spring floor, high density wood so that only one layer of wood is need, the layer that holds the spring... it is held together at the join by aluminium slots, and them the tops are velcro front to back, side to side to hold the floor together and stop from sliding apart.

it works a treat! pack up record is 20mins so far, on a 7 panel floor.

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the sweet spot will be for a squad of 16 girls being able to do it in a lot less.

munchkinmom said:

I'm thinking this as some variant of a foam block floor may be most efficent with current air floor limitations (I'm sure if the market was there, 10 years could easily see materials science and engineering improvements to make a full portable airfloor feasible.) Wheels and hinges may make the sections more portable for daily use or just load up the sections onto a rolling cart to keep portability at a maximum.

Would the use of a full squad (20-35ish) cut down that 30 minute mark by any significance? Thinking the intial load-in/layout of panels might go quicker. Plus, every-day practice might not need the full setup, maybe only a half floor a good portion of the time. If teams saw a realistic 15 minute setup on a half sized floor, and they had the storage space they may be interested to make the switch over assuming they have full size dead mats to start with - is a full set of dead mats common enough to make it a realistic generalization?

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oh my, my dream is to have 10 people, it can be done in like 15 minutes once everyones knows what their doing... ive got it down to 45 mins with 4 people, but we all know what to do and how to do it. it did take us much longer when we first were setting it up.

the idea of only setting up 4 panels would significantly cut down your set up time. we do the warm up tumbling strips (two of them) in 10 minutes.

King I think this ^ may be a solution with the currently available technology. The issue becomes adoption (because I doubt the subfloor cost is prohibative if they own the mats). Like right.now. I would completely run fundraisers and seek donations for the foam block floor components and provide transportation of it to our practice locations for our rec program if we had the mats to put on top . If someone can change HS thought from "NFHS says no spring floor" to "sprung floors are good for safety", this could be do-able.

King are you thinking for half time? Or practice/competitions?

For under 5 you'd need like an automatic installed on a wall

4 folds -10'6" sections

Hydraulically extends with wheels to roll out that also pulls out a tarp to protect the floor

There would be some details to figure out among the fold where the spring sides are both inward

But can you even set up a roll up floor in under 5?