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I don't get the point of crossing over if it's level to level? I honestly don't get the benefit? My gym has crossovers, it's not a secret. Would I consider us sandbagging? Absolutely not. We have a backspot on Sr 4, and she flies on S3 because due to the kids on the team it's not possible on S4.

Crossing age from level to level I can see because a flyer on seniors can base on juniors (and if it's level 1-4, even on youth). But until there is a way to gauge what level someone is (the being certified at X level and then not crossing up/down more than one level idea that was discussed a while ago), I can't see figuring out a way from it turning into sandbagging when a level 5 kid ends up on a level 2.
 
Crossing age from level to level I can see because a flyer on seniors can base on juniors (and if it's level 1-4, even on youth). But until there is a way to gauge what level someone is (the being certified at X level and then not crossing up/down more than one level idea that was discussed a while ago), I can't see figuring out a way from it turning into sandbagging when a level 5 kid ends up on a level 2.
What if the gym only has ONE level 5 team?
 
What if the gym only has ONE level 5 team?

People will argue all day long about it being fair or not, but then they need to pick what team they want to be on. Do they want to compete at Worlds or do they want to compete at The Summit? I get the frustration, but that's also the problem teams face with NCA--it's a choice to go to the competitions, and if the gym doesn't want to make that choice, they don't have to accept the bid. Unlike Worlds, there is an alternative to The Summit from Jamfest in US Finals. It's not as fancy and "prestigious" but it's still an option if they don't like the rules presented.
 
Every gym has their own personal justification as to crossovers. Some gyms use none and don't believe in them at all. Some gyms will crossover as many as they can. The Summits current set up is there is no limit. My personal opinion is in the future I would like something that limits crossovers. If the team that wins large senior at Worlds this year fields a lrg sr 3 team and wins the Summit I will stand up and clap my hands. That team would be 100% legal and within the rules of the competition. I hope something is done in the future to prevent that from being an option.

I again would like to add, please step back and don't think about just "your gym, cp, team". Think about the industry as a whole. Crossovers at local comps, even if you set your schedule to appeal to "your gym" I'm not gonna argue. But Worlds prestige, No Crossovers adds to it. I personally believe Summit should too!


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While I don't agree in the least with replacing an entire Sr2 team with Level 5 athletes I am ok with replacing a few. My theory is this. If a Sr2 team is maxing out the ranges within thier division then they have a great shot of winning it all...... if they hit. One thing with 1-4 especially 1-3 is the score comes down to who is the cleanest assuming everyone is maxing out thier ranges and everyone hits. I really noticed this at NCA. Our little Y1 team went from third to first not because of mistakes made by the teams above them but by simply being cleaner on day 2 than the others. When you reach the level of competition that The Summit is aiming to bring it's safe to assume everyone will hit and that our teams will have to be cleaner to win.
Another thought is just because you drop an entire L5 team down to SR2 doesn't mean they can win. They (the L5 team) are bound by the same ranges that all of the other SR2 teams are bound by. I would actually feel better about oyr SR2 team competing against our L5 team in a level 2 division because I feel they are cleaner. I think L5 teams get so caught up in hitting the most difficult stunts and tumbling that it can sacrifice a clean routine.
This is just my opinion and thier is an assumption that all these teams can max the ranges within thier division.
 
I can maybe understand a FEW athletes filling in or even crossing all season. What bothers me is the teams that keeping half the team of athletes in Florida after worlds BC they want to go to the Summot so bad but half the parents aren't on board. Adding crossovers just for summit in that quantity is what really raises questions.
 
The crossovers craze goes on all year long. Why would anyone think any different for the Summit . Even at NCA if a team has to many crossovers they will leave home the team that has less a chance to win and stack another team to win . Even if you had a rule like NCA with a max of 5 . Five superior tumble passes can make a huge difference . Its a tough call to fix . I've said it once before instead of having large gym small gym. There should be crossover ( unlimited crossovers ) and no crossover ( max of 3 ) divisions. That might even the field out.
 
Assuming that a level 5 athlete competing on any team level 1-4 doesn't help is just plain naive.
If any given team has the ability to max out the ranges within the scoring grid then it shouldn't make a difference what level they came from. If a team cannot hit the max scores in thier grids then maybe they shouldn't be at that level. Please understand I don't agree with stacking a lower level team with higher level athletes for the sake of one event. If gyms are doing so then they are doing thier kids who earned that bid a huge disservice and I as a paying customer would be taking my business elsewhere.
 
If any given team has the ability to max out the ranges within the scoring grid then it shouldn't make a difference what level they came from. If a team cannot hit the max scores in thier grids then maybe they shouldn't be at that level. Please understand I don't agree with stacking a lower level team with higher level athletes for the sake of one event. If gyms are doing so then they are doing thier kids who earned that bid a huge disservice and I as a paying customer would be taking my business elsewhere.
I think you are missing my point. I agree that range vs range yes, in theory any given day. But if I put several kids on a team that have trick to fulls vs a team with bhs they will win. Technique, execution of skills etc. I'm in no way saying a lvl 1,2,3,4 kid doesn't work as hard but saying a sr 2 athletes bhs is equal to a level 5 athlete just isn't true. Same goes for basket, stunts etc. now with that being said I have some lvl 5 athletes on my teams that are frequently out jumped by our sr 1 team.


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I would be okay with the level to level, but i would also be okay with a one level up one level down rule, and a # of crossovers rule.
 
I think you are missing my point. I agree that range vs range yes, in theory any given day. But if I put several kids on a team that have trick to fulls vs a team with bhs they will win. Technique, execution of skills etc. I'm in no way saying a lvl 1,2,3,4 kid doesn't work as hard but saying a sr 2 athletes bhs is equal to a level 5 athlete just isn't true. Same goes for basket, stunts etc. now with that being said I have some lvl 5 athletes on my teams that are frequently out jumped by our sr 1 team.


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I see. My point was simply that if level 5 kids drop to level 2 then obviously they can only do level 2 skills. Assuming ones level 2 team is a strong one (technique, execution, sharpness) then the playing field should begin to level itself.
 
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