All-Star Let's Discuss Worlds Scoring

King said:

Small senior for last year shows the least Ping Pong Ball Bias. There is a small amount, but I would assume it is within tolerance. I would say there was no descernable bias for this last year in this group.

If there was no ping pong ball bias I would assume all groups would look like this.

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And 3 teams with at large bids made it to finals in this division last year if I remember correctly.

cheer9497 said:

And 3 teams with at large bids made it to finals in this division last year if I remember correctly.

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Interesting. Is the causation or correlation? If one division has less Ping Pong bias does that mean the chances of a team hitting and making it to finals is a lot higher?

Emily said:

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There are actually schedules and results (with or without points) scattered all over the internet/fierceboard for the past years. In case someone has some time - it would be nice to have them all together in one document

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You cannot imagine how happy I would be if someone would fill in missing info (including 2013) into the "Big Worlds Scoresheet". That is normally something that I would enjoy spending hours upon hours gathering information for, but I simply do not have that much time available.

I updated the 2013 medals into the overall totals, but no other work has been done recently. It should be freely editable by anyone.

The teams that qualified for semi-finals (by start-number):

SS: 6, 18, 20, 22, 23, 28, 42, 46, 50, 52 (out of 52)
SSC: 12, 20, 21, 26, 34, 35, 43, 51 (out of 53)

There is only one team in the single digits that qualified (that was Champion Cheer Heat).

Teams that qualified when the starting teams are broken down in thirds:
In SS:
first third: 1
middle third: 5
last third: 4

In SC:
first third: 1
middle third: 5
last third: 4

Just from this data your best bet is to start somewhere in the middle, even though on average you score higher starting later. Maybe I'll have some time later to do the other years and get more detail into this.

Emily said:

The teams that qualified for semi-finals (by start-number):

SS: 6, 18, 20, 22, 23, 28, 42, 46, 50, 52 (out of 52)
SSC: 12, 20, 21, 26, 34, 35, 43, 51 (out of 53)

There is only one team in the single digits that qualified (that was Champion Cheer Heat).

Teams that qualified when the starting teams are broken down in thirds:
In SS:
first third: 1
middle third: 5
last third: 4

In SC:
first third: 1
middle third: 5
last third: 4

Just from this data your best bet is to start somewhere in the middle, even though on average you score higher starting later. Maybe I'll have some time later to do the other years and get more detail into this.

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Also makes me wonder when judging fatigue sets in, middle seems like a good place to be in the ping pong ball system.

Okay, screw the SSC breakdown because I just noticed that I must have missed two teams

Alright, now with 10 SSC teams:
The teams that qualified for semi-finals (by start-number):

SS: 6, 18, 20, 22, 23, 28, 42, 46, 50, 52 (out of 52)
SSC: 8, 11, 19, 20, 23, 26, 34, 35, 43, 51 (out of 53)

There is only one team in each division in the single digits that qualified (that was Champion Cheer Heat and USA Wildcats Senior Elite).

Teams that qualified when the starting teams are broken down in thirds:
In SS:
first third: 1
middle third: 5
last third: 4

In SC:
first third: 2
middle third: 6
last third: 2

Just from this data your best bet is to start somewhere in the middle, even though on average you score higher starting later. Maybe I'll have some time later to do the other years and get more detail into this.
With the two teams I missed before it is even more obvious that a team starting somewhere in the middle is better off.

BlueCat said:

You cannot imagine how happy I would be if someone would fill in missing info (including 2013) into the "Big Worlds Scoresheet". That is normally something that I would enjoy spending hours upon hours gathering information for, but I simply do not have that much time available.

I updated the 2013 medals into the overall totals, but no other work has been done recently. It should be freely editable by anyone.

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I'm going to have a lot of free time starting next week and some this week. I wouldn't mind helping out at all, I also enjoy this stuff.

I love this thread! Question, do you think the Ping Pong bias was as evident in the semi finals for ss and sc? The divisions were not as large as prelims, but I assume the judges were expecting the teams to be better as well since the partial paid and paid bids were added in. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the order of the semi finals for the partial paid and paid bid winners was also a random draw.

two2cheer4 said:

I love this thread! Question, do you think the Ping Pong bias was as evident in the semi finals for ss and sc? The divisions were not as large as prelims, but I assume the judges were expecting the teams to be better as well since the partial paid and paid bids were added in. Correct me if I am wrong, but I thought the order of the semi finals for the partial paid and paid bid winners was also a random draw.

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Random draw for partial paid, then random draw for full paid. Probably not a large enough sample size to really tell.

All of this is probably argument #1 for why we need a universal scoresheet. Worlds would not be allowed to experiment with different scoring philosophies for 1 event a year.

BlueCat said:

All of this is probably argument #1 for why we need a universal scoresheet. Worlds would not be allowed to experiment with different scoring philosophies for 1 event a year.

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I'm all for a universal scoring system but if it was the Worlds non-rubric one then all year you would be just shooting in the dark. Which scoring system would be used?


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yojaehs said:

I'm all for a universal scoring system but if it was the Worlds non-rubric one then all year you would be just shooting in the dark. Which scoring system would be used?


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Yeah that is SCARY.

King said:

Yeah that is SCARY.

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There is no way to prepare a season using this system. I know the industry needs a universal score sheet. The open ended "choreography" system I am not a fan of but I wouldn't mind rewarding creativity a little more. So far the Varsity scoring system is the least bad.


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yojaehs said:

There is no way to prepare a season using this system. I know the industry needs a universal score sheet. The open ended "choreography" system I am not a fan of but I wouldn't mind rewarding creativity a little more. So far the Varsity scoring system is the least bad.

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I agree that the current Varsity system is the least horrible one out there.