All-Star Evolution?

The Sixth said:

Based on the comments so far I'm still pretty much in the middle. On the one hand I keep seeing "genius" thrown around, but conversely, everybody says this is common.

Everybody is so focused on the rules. Of course it doesn't break any rules. My point was if it was an unfair advantage? There was a time crossovers were allowed as well.... Either way, I rest my case.

So with that said......


Actually, now what I'd like to see is a team in LAG come out with NO day 1 performance. Watch what the other teams do, and then decide what changes they make to their base routine.

If that worked, THAT is what I'd call risky and brilliant. But I can't imagine many people would be fans of it.

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I think she's a genius for many more reason's than Worlds 2013.......LOL

Is this even an option? I can't imagine USASF allowing it. Not to mention the backlash from the "fans" because they flew to worlds to watch LAG and XYZ Allstars didn't perform.

The Sixth said:

Everybody is so focused on the rules. Of course it doesn't break any rules. My point was if it was an unfair advantage? There was a time crossovers were allowed as well.... Either way, I rest my case.

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AndrewSky said:

But it's NOT an unfair advantage. Any of the other teams could've chose to practice and make changes to ultimately improve their score, and they didn't.
That's just a coach really trying to maximize what her kids and routine can do. It's SMART coaching.

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King said:

And not unique. I know most teams would adjust and change things if they thought their score would improve. I personally have done it before (as I know many coaches have). I don't think it was unfair to go rent out a gym because if needed I would have done the same. This is just a weird conversation honestly.

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Thank you. I was at least expecting a shimmy no lie King.

mstealtoyou said:

Is this even an option? I can't imagine USASF allowing it. Not to mention the backlash from the "fans" because they flew to worlds to watch LAG and XYZ Allstars didn't perform.

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Thus, my last statement. But they wouldn't literally need to not perform. They could stand around and give high 5s for 2.5 mins.

AndrewSky said:

But it's NOT an unfair advantage. Any of the other teams could've chose to practice and make changes to ultimately improve their score, and they didn't.
That's just a coach really trying to maximize what her kids and routine can do. It's SMART coaching.

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The thing that impressed me about the whole Saturday practice was not so much the changes that she made but the emotional and mental pep rally she had to have had with those kids during that time. Let's remember their mind set at this point.....29 points down.....a pyramid song that means A LOT to them personally is getting replaced for something more uptempo......I would venture to say her changes were as much physically to the routine as they were emotionally to the girls and getting them in a place that they could and would pull off this changed routine.

The Sixth said:

Thus, my last statement. But they wouldn't literally need to not perform. They could stand around and give high 5s for 2.5 mins.

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As long as it didn't take longer than 30 seconds to get on the floor and 30 seconds off the floor. LMAO

The Sixth said:

Based on the comments so far I'm still pretty much in the middle. On the one hand I keep seeing "genius" thrown around, but conversely, everybody says this is common.

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I don't consider CSP's decision to practice between days 1 and 2 especially impressive but rather her apparently uncanny ability to look at a scoresheet after day 1 and make changes that will address every aspect of the feedback received, are able to be executed well by her athletes, and win gold for her team on day 2. Obviously hitting is a big part of it and if that doesn't happen then it doesn't matter what changes you make or don't make, but because SE did hit this year and in 2012, CSP's shrewdness in this area has become clear to the public.

cheer.coach said:

I don't consider CSP's decision to practice between days 1 and 2 especially impressive but rather her apparently uncanny ability to look at a scoresheet after day 1 and make changes that will address every aspect of the feedback received, are able to be executed well by her athletes, and win gold for her team on day 2. Obviously hitting is a big part of it and if that doesn't happen then it doesn't matter what changes you make or don't make, but because SE did hit this year and in 2012, CSP's shrewdness in this area has become clear to the public.

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That's a good take on it. Thanks!

This topic doesn't even make sense to me. While, I know that many of the teams choose to stay close to the hotel and practice on the grass; I would hope that any team my CP would(someday) be involved in would do otherwise. At the Worlds level, I would expect that her gym would take the initiative to procure proper practice space to provide a private and safe spot for practice during the biggest competition of the year.

There are too many factors to risk by not doing so. Injuries, inability to practice due to rain, distractions by other gyms, family and onlookers can easily happen if you just rely on using whatever space is available.

From my understanding, even at a lower level comp at Disney, most teams practice offsite. It seems, to me, that the practicing on the lawn is more for fun, showboating, and bonding; but if you want to get serious, go offsite.

I personally love that they went to a gym and wish all teams would do that. It's much safer than them throwing those type skills on a field, hotel lobby, or some other unsafe surface.

Yes, hell might have frozen over again.

Haha, @mamabear got there before me!

CharlotteASMom said:

I personally love that they went to a gym and wish all teams would do that. It's much safer than them throwing those type skills on a field, hotel lobby, or some other unsafe surface.

Yes, hell might have frozen over again.

Haha, @mamabear got there before me!

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On my phone I only could see the first 2 sentences and I said "Hell just froze over" before I read you said it. Funny.

two2cheer4 said:

Do we actually know that none of the other LAG teams practiced in a gym between day 1 and day 2? I would assume since the LAG teams were guaranteed to go through to the finals they all would have had some sort of practice planned out in advance for Saturday.

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Maybe they practiced, but certainly didn't go about making the changes CEA did.

The Sixth said:

Based on the comments so far I'm still pretty much in the middle. On the one hand I keep seeing "genius" thrown around, but conversely, everybody says this is common.

Everybody is so focused on the rules. Of course it doesn't break any rules. My point was if it was an unfair advantage? There was a time crossovers were allowed as well.... Either way, I rest my case.

So with that said......


Actually, now what I'd like to see is a team in LAG come out with NO day 1 performance. Watch what the other teams do, and then decide what changes they make to their base routine.

If that worked, THAT is what I'd call risky and brilliant. But I can't imagine many people would be fans of it.

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It's not an unfair advantage. I don't see how it is an unfair advantage and nothing you have stated would lead my to believe it is an unfair advantage. If a team does something within the USASF guidelines that any other team could have done, I don't see how that is unfair.

AndrewSky said:

Maybe they practiced, but certainly didn't go about making the changes CEA did.

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But I thought the OP was arguing that they thought it was somehow unfair that Sr. Elite practiced in a gym (therefore making it less of a risk to make changes to the routine). They were not upset that they actually made changes.

I'm saying, for all we know, at least some of the other LAG teams could have practiced in a gym, they just chose not to make the amount of changes CEA did.