All-Star Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation

I don't think sharing a title because of separation by divisions will lessen the prestige.
Read what Les and King wrote above. They both addressed this part of the argument against D1/D2. That's probably the weakest argument against the idea but it will be the one people throw out the most.


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i think it takes away from the winner. you don't want share the title as the best in small coed with another team. there should only be 1 world champion in say small coed not 2. Your not really the best if your not competing against everyone who received a bid in your division

AndrewSky said:

I like the idea. i really do. i just have one apprehension:
For me, I just feel like it's going to create even more unnecessary elitism when it comes to divisions.

There are some strong small gyms who I feel would have a monopoly in their divisions. So is it really helping anyone other than giving small gyms a chance to place higher?
I could be completely wrong, I just feel like it would take the prestige out of being a world champion.

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Tbh your post doesn't make sense to me and it looks like it contradicts itself.

D2 is a place for snake programs to thrive. Just like the NCAA D2 football had a chance to thrive. No one who knows anything will confuse a D2 title with a D1.

So exactly what do you think will happen?

People will win D2 and walk around proclaiming world champion and everyone will just assume D1 when they ask who they won with?



On a further idea what if only small divisions were D2. And all large gyms had to go medium and large. That be interesting.

king said:

On a further idea what if only small divisions were D2. And all large gyms had to go medium and large. That be interesting.

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This is good food for thought



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Cheer4lifeex said:

Why don't we just let every team win worlds?

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X-sam said:

i think it takes away from the winner. you don't want share the title as the best in small coed with another team. there should only be 1 world champion in say small coed not 2. Your not really the best if your not competing against everyone who received a bid in your division

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I understand where this argument comes from, but try to think more big picture. Over time, this rule can be a huge launching point for growth. While it requires the "sharing" of a title (although I don't look at it that way, since the titles will be won around different parameters), it will also allow small gyms to finally become competitive in level 5. It will allow for them to better retain their home-grown athletes instead of losing them to mega-gyms because those athletes will now have the opportunity to be competitive at Worlds with their home gym. Eventually, this will lead to DII itself becoming more competitive and thus those gyms, through their success, will be able to grow and, if they choose to go that route, eventually move up into DI. Repeat cycle.

Maybe I am wearing rose-colored glasses, but I really feel this will be a great thing for all-star.

I vote yes


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Worlds is not the Olympics. Maybe the ICU part can be compared b/c that actually involves head to head competition between countries, but Worlds is not comparable to the Olympics. The Olympics is the Olympics and even they have unique divisions--special, junior and para. Did I miss any?


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NCA Dallas has small gym divisions. Takes nothing away from the large programs, but gives the smaller gyms an opportunity to compete with their peers too. Seems to work fine.


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On a further idea what if only small divisions were D2. And all large gyms had to go medium and large. That be interesting.[/quote]

Very interesting concept. It is very difficult for small gyms to field med or large teams, much easier for large gyms to make a powerhouse small team.

cheermom0915 said:

NCA Dallas has small gym divisions. Takes nothing away from the large programs, but gives the smaller gyms an opportunity to compete with their peers too. Seems to work fine.


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I do not believe for worlds divisions.

i think for this to really work, and a world's title to remain prestigious, you would have to take away the option to compete DI if you should be DII.

Gyms like Hot Cheer, South Elite, MACS, GBE etc come to mind (mind you, I have no idea of the actual size of their gym, so they may end up DI) If they can medal in DI, why would they voluntarily be DII? but if you take those "big" small dogs out of the picture, the teams remaining in DII could easily get a worlds title with a mediocre routine. that's what bothers me. teams that consistently aren't even breaking a 200 on the worlds scoresheet could be going home with a globe.

I hate this idea! For me its quite simple, if your aren't a worlds caliber team then don't go. I understand that teams want the "worlds experience" but making separate divisions for less talented teams or smaller gyms would take away from the Prestige of winning worlds. So many divisions will begin to be cumbersome.


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I think this just allows more teams To go to worlds which is good and bad it allows small gyms to go but it seems like there is already an issue with timing and accommodating fans and athletes this will add to the problem? Also I still think breaking small and large gyms takes away the exclusiveness of worlds


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king said:

Tbh your post doesn't make sense to me and it looks like it contradicts itself.

D2 is a place for snake programs to thrive. Just like the NCAA D2 football had a chance to thrive. No one who knows anything will confuse a D2 title with a D1.

So exactly what do you think will happen?

People will win D2 and walk around proclaiming world champion and everyone will just assume D1 when they ask who they won with?



On a further idea what if only small divisions were D2. And all large gyms had to go medium and large. That be interesting.

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I guess I never thought of it that way. What would be the split between small and large gyms?

Jessicalynn said:

I think this just allows more teams To go to worlds which is good and bad it allows small gyms to go but it seems like there is already an issue with timing and accommodating fans and athletes this will add to the problem? Also I still think breaking small and large gyms takes away the exclusiveness of worlds


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Assuming the number of bids stays the same it will not allow more teams to go. It will just separate the teams differently.