All-Star Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation

MissCongeniality said:

And while there's nothing wrong with that dream...I think it is crushing this "sport". Certainly when my kids played Little League it wasn't all about making it to the LL World Series. They were thrilled to have a winning record or hit a home run. During the boys' pop Warner days they may have made an awesome play and said "my goal is the Super Bowl someday", but we weren't moving them across the country or to a different team with that as the "end goal". Sure there are no doubt parents who do...but why does it seem so much more prevalent in cheer?

@cupieqt I totally hear what you're saying! I have friends who own a gym similar to yours.

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BlueCat said:

So what if most of the "big" gyms chose not to attend? Would that improve things for the other gyms?

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cupieqt said:

@Misscongeniality Let me expand on your post so maybe more people can understand my perspective. I'm hesitant to even say it because I don't want to be misunderstood as not wanting to be the best of the best but here goes:

After starting my coaching career many many years ago, I have been the director and head coach of three different all star programs. Since 2006 I have wanted to field a Worlds team. Unfortunately, the gym I worked for when Worlds began was a "hobby" gym run by two moms that eventually closed the program once their daughters aged out. I was a full time school teacher and I didn't have the money or resources to save the gym by myself. Since then, I have been working hard on building a new program in my community that is far better all around (business and skill-wise) than any that has ever been offered in our area. But we are years behind other gyms that have been building since even before Worlds was an idea.

Louisiana Cheer Force is a neighboring gym that has fielded at least one Worlds team since the early days of Worlds. At this point, I am playing catch up with them to offer higher level teams. I would probably be OK with feeding my L5 athletes to LACF if those were the ONLY athletes that would go (but honestly when I get an athlete to that level, then hell yes I want them to stay with us so we can fulfill all our wildest cheer dreams together). If ONLY my L5 athletes went to this other gym then I wouldn't have to worry about scratching and clawing our way to Worlds--only to be probably be ridiculed and mocked as one of "those no name" gyms that are just going for the experience and you have to suffer through watching.

But I won't lose just my L5's. Once those kids walk, then my L4's want to go too and then the L3's are headed out the door after them. Because of the "Worlds dream". I'd be lucky to hang onto my L2's and limp along with 30 kids total. I need to have Worlds dreams in my gym in order to stay in business. Winning NCA or Cheersport or the Summit doesn't compare to the Worlds dream. It's the cross I have to bear and so be it and I'd love to eventually be as elite as the current cheer elite, but we all know that ain't gonna happen overnight. And it won't happen at all if I can't get some sort of foothold to even begin the journey. D1/D2 feels like a possible foothold.


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CoachTamara said:

I love you, let's be besties forever... :cheering:


So yeah, what she said...

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king said:

I disagree about the food though.

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Nikaa said:

No....No...No...and again NO! Large gyms are large for a reason. If they are large that mean they are good, if they're good they will win worlds. In gymnastic there are 4 big countrys that win every olympics (China, USA, Romania, Russia) At last 3 Olympics in gymnastic every all around final and apparatus final those 4 countires have won medals. Should we have two divisions at Olympics for other countries who can not won medals because of the big 4? Defenetly not!

The same story is for Worlds.

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Cheer_Explosion_Coach said:

When's the last time the French had a gymnast move to China to win an Olympic gold? I get the argument here, but it's kinda apples to oranges.


What I'm wondering is why are there gyms with 4 or so teams at worlds and none of them are large. I'd rather see a gym mandated to have a Large senior or Large Coed before getting the approval to send a second team. That'd make large senior grow and some of the other ones shrink.








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Cheer_Explosion_Coach said:

When's the last time the French had a gymnast move to China to win an Olympic gold? I get the argument here, but it's kinda apples to oranges.

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Cheer_Explosion_Coach said:

When's the last time the French had a gymnast move to China to win an Olympic gold? I get the argument here, but it's kinda apples to oranges.


What I'm wondering is why are there gyms with 4 or so teams at worlds and none of them are large. I'd rather see a gym mandated to have a Large senior or Large Coed before getting the approval to send a second team. That'd make large senior grow and some of the other ones shrink.








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dustinfromdiamonds said:

The only gyms I can think of (please add in any that I miss) that have four worlds teams all compete in both large divisions... CEA, Cali, Ca.... T&S had 5 worlds teams last season at one point, from two locations (2 int'l teams), do you really think they should have been large?


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AndrewSky said:

Not true. ECE had four worlds teams, and PCM and Cheerforce had five.

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dustinfromdiamonds said:

The only gyms I can think of (please add in any that I miss) that have four worlds teams all compete in both large divisions... CEA, Cali, Ca.... T&S had 5 worlds teams last season at one point, from two locations (2 int'l teams), do you really think they should have been large?


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AndrewSky said:

ECE had four worlds teams, and PCM and Cheerforce had five at worlds 2013. Fame had four also if I remember correctly too.

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AndrewSky said:

ECE had four worlds teams, and PCM and Cheerforce had five at worlds 2013. Fame had four also if I remember correctly too.

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