All-Star Twerk Ban

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Context, context, context. You're right in that an athlete doesn't spread her legs in the air to elicit sexual comments. However, a stripper doing splits on a pole sure does.

The problem with your argument is, biologically speaking, someone's rear end is no more inherently sexual than is a mouth, an ear, a foot, etc
Oh yes, it absolutely is. There is no sexual activity/position/act I can think of involves the use of one's feet or ears. However, there are many that involve one's rear end. Which is my problem with twerking. The fact that it mirrors sexual activities. Again, it's the positioning that's the problem. And that's as subtle and PC as I can be about that.



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1) trying to say doing the splits or pulling body positions is the same as gyrating your rear end forcefully back and forth is even remotely the same doesn't even deserve a response. It's not, not even close.

2) please don't put words in my mouth and say I am insinuating that our gym is somehow more holy than others just because we decided to have a twerking ban. The Bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. What we all do with ourselves is between us and God. We personally believe any form of dancing that is sexual in nature is inappropriate and should not be condoned by our gym. We never said these kids couldn't twerk if they so choose to. We simply said keep it off social media and keep it out of the gym. Period. So they can experiment away at home or with their friends as long as they don't video it and post it online.

3) I grew up with 3 brothers and currently have a dozen teenage nephews. Every single one of them will tell you that watching girls twerk in barely any clothes is hard to do (trying to keep it clean and not use certain words lol) are there other dances out there that are even more sexual in nature? Sure. They just aren't all the rage right now popping up on every social media site imaginable. Regardless, we believe twerking is inappropriate 1) for minors and 2) to be put on social media for all to see. That's it.


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1) But what's your justification for thinking of them as totally unrelated? As cheerleaders/parents of cheerleaders, we have a considerable bias in thinking of splits as totally nonsexual. However, twerking and splits are both performed in strip clubs, and both have the potential to generate sexually lewd comments. As I've said repeatedly, context is what matters. Biologically speaking, the rear end isn't any more sexual in nature than someone's eyes, mouth, ear, foot, etc. Additionally, based on everything that I've seen on the internet, nonsexual pictures of girls doing the splits in skimpy clothes (or even non-skimpy clothes) generate considerably more sexual comments than does a video of friends twerking (which generates comments more grounded in racism than sexuality).

2) It wasn't my intention to put words in your mouth, but when you justify a ban solely based on the vague pretext of "Christianity", it does carry the insinuation (irrespective of your own intentions) that those who don't agree with such a ban aren't, at least in your eyes, following sections of Christianity as well as your own gym. I can understand that you intended the message to be "We don't really approve of twerking based on our personal interpretation of [insert Bible verse that discourages sexually explicit behavior]". It may seem kind of pedantic to make such a fuss about phrasing, but it's important to remember that there are a lot of people who have had a lot of negative experiences with rude and judgmental "Christians" who try to defend their poor manners with "The Bible says that you're sinning".

3) The "barely any clothes" thing again brings context back up. I'm sure you're aware that many, many uniforms could be considered skimpy by the general population, including your own gym's (note: I don't actually believe this). I really do think it's admirable that a gym is trying to prevent the sexualization of children on social media. I just don't see how this solves that problem. You'd need to ban ALL content (like splits) that can be sexually exploited (which would be virtually impossible), or just put more effort into teaching the value of maintaining strict security settings so that the creepers of the internet won't have access to any of the exploitable private content in the first place. I really, really do appreciate the intention of this ban, but having a blanket ban on twerking isn't an effective solution to the larger issue of privacy abuse.
 
1) trying to say doing the splits or pulling body positions is the same as gyrating your rear end forcefully back and forth is even remotely the same doesn't even deserve a response. It's not, not even close.

2) please don't put words in my mouth and say I am insinuating that our gym is somehow more holy than others just because we decided to have a twerking ban. The Bible says to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. What we all do with ourselves is between us and God. We personally believe any form of dancing that is sexual in nature is inappropriate and should not be condoned by our gym. We never said these kids couldn't twerk if they so choose to. We simply said keep it off social media and keep it out of the gym. Period. So they can experiment away at home or with their friends as long as they don't video it and post it online.

3) I grew up with 3 brothers and currently have a dozen teenage nephews. Every single one of them will tell you that watching girls twerk in barely any clothes is hard to do (trying to keep it clean and not use certain words lol) are there other dances out there that are even more sexual in nature? Sure. They just aren't all the rage right now popping up on every social media site imaginable. Regardless, we believe twerking is inappropriate 1) for minors and 2) to be put on social media for all to see. That's it.


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Oh yes, it absolutely is. There is no sexual activity/position/act I can think of involves the use of one's feet or ears. However, there are many that involve one's rear end. Which is my problem with twerking. The fact that it mirrors sexual activities. Again, it's the positioning that's the problem. And that's as subtle and PC as I can be about that.



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Your limited imagination in this department doesn't really mean anything; the unwanted pop-ups and the oodles of graphic comments that I've seen prove my point.

Please read what I wrote: biologically speaking, the rear end is not sexual. Yes, it can be sexual in a cultural context, but so are someone's lips, and we have no problem with flyers making "fierce" facials. We have no problem with the shimmying that brings attention to someone's breasts. We have no problem with flyers in skimpy skirts who pull splits in the air, which exposes the entirety of their legs and can draw attention towards an area that actually IS biologically sexual. Twerking doesn't inherently mirror sexual activity any more than those activities do, but cheerleading gives us a bias to ignore those activities and only focus on the "sexual nature" of anything involving one's rear end, which is why I've said that it's a meaningless distinction.
 
But that's what we do here; agree and disagree all day long :D


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And how boring it would be if we all agree on everything?

About the twerk thing:
Do it at home, with your friends, be silly, have fun.

But don't put it on social media. Gym is right - there's no need for this and although i don't judge a gym for the actions of one athlete, i give probs to them for having rules and telling their athletes what they don't want them to act like.
It's just unneccessary (sorry, i'm sure the gramar is wrong) to let everyone see twerking minors.


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This topic could be argued to death. Some think the ban is silly, others agree with it. Can we all agree to disagree and call it a day?

But that's what we do here; agree and disagree all day long :D


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I genuinely can't tell if people are seriously saying twerking isn't sexual :confused: or just arguing to argue. Because really...it's not fierce or cute. It's gross. (And that's coming from someone who grew up trying to justify 2 Live Crew as music :oops:) I can't actually wrap my head around one way of looking at twerking that isn't sexual. I am so creeped out when I see kids doing it.

For the record I also think of a lot things mentioned as "perfectly acceptable" in this thread as overly sexual for kids. Bow and arrow, heel stretch, etc.= ok. Doing them with your goods pointed directly at the camera for a photo = gross. I agree that a lot of people find this acceptable, but I gotta say anyone outside of cheer is looking at these pics like :eek: :eek::eek: . I purposely don't "like" them on Facebook because I don't want the rest of my non-cheer friends to wonder what on earth I'm looking at. As pc as I can make it: girls, you can show how flexible you are without me seeing your spleen. Tell your photo taking friend to move 6 inches to their left.

Parents: If your under 18 kid is "twerking" in a video online and/or wearing a "Twerk Team" t-shirt and you're allowing it...I'm judging you. And so are a lot of other people. If you don't care, cool. Just don't complain when people stereotype your kid.
 
1) But what's your justification for thinking of them as totally unrelated? As cheerleaders/parents of cheerleaders, we have a considerable bias in thinking of splits as totally nonsexual. However, twerking and splits are both performed in strip clubs, and both have the potential to generate sexually lewd comments. As I've said repeatedly, context is what matters. Biologically speaking, the rear end isn't any more sexual in nature than someone's eyes, mouth, ear, foot, etc. Additionally, based on everything that I've seen on the internet, nonsexual pictures of girls doing the splits in skimpy clothes (or even non-skimpy clothes) generate considerably more sexual comments than does a video of friends twerking (which generates comments more grounded in racism than sexuality).

2) It wasn't my intention to put words in your mouth, but when you justify a ban solely based on the vague pretext of "Christianity", it does carry the insinuation (irrespective of your own intentions) that those who don't agree with such a ban aren't, at least in your eyes, following sections of Christianity as well as your own gym. I can understand that you intended the message to be "We don't really approve of twerking based on our personal interpretation of [insert Bible verse that discourages sexually explicit behavior]". It may seem kind of pedantic to make such a fuss about phrasing, but it's important to remember that there are a lot of people who have had a lot of negative experiences with rude and judgmental "Christians" who try to defend their poor manners with "The Bible says that you're sinning".

3) The "barely any clothes" thing again brings context back up. I'm sure you're aware that many, many uniforms could be considered skimpy by the general population, including your own gym's (note: I don't actually believe this). I really do think it's admirable that a gym is trying to prevent the sexualization of children on social media. I just don't see how this solves that problem. You'd need to ban ALL content (like splits) that can be sexually exploited (which would be virtually impossible), or just put more effort into teaching the value of maintaining strict security settings so that the creepers of the internet won't have access to any of the exploitable private content in the first place. I really, really do appreciate the intention of this ban, but having a blanket ban on twerking isn't an effective solution to the larger issue of privacy abuse.

I can tell you that our uniforms are definitely a subject for debate. Would I EVER allow my girls to wear their uni around public places? No way!! But just like track or gymnastics, I do believe the need for tight fitting, smaller clothing is needed for safety purposes. But, the moment you are finished competing, you cover yourself up. Which is another rule we have. So as long as the breast and the booty are covered, I am indifferent on what a uni looks like on the floor. Just cover yourself up when you're done.

We will agree to disagree on the splits and body positions being similar to a dance that mimics having sex standing up.

Anyone who knows our owner, or me, or any of our other coaches knows that we do NOT judge others or look down on others for having opposing opinions just because we are Christians. But, I will say this, if anyone considers their self a Christian, then it is their obligation to read the bible and follow its principles to the best of their ability. Whether they do or not is between them and God. It's not my place to judge that. All I can do is do my best to not sin. But I also will not lie and tell someone what they are doing is ok when the bible clearly says its not ok. But I never give my opinion unless I'm asked for it. I do get tired of Christians getting a bad rap just because we disagree with what's popular in society.


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For the record I also think of a lot things mentioned as "perfectly acceptable" in this thread as overly sexual for kids. Bow and arrow, heel stretch, etc.= ok. Doing them with your goods pointed directly at the camera for a photo = gross. I agree that a lot of people find this acceptable, but I gotta say anyone outside of cheer is looking at these pics like :eek: :eek::eek: . I purposely don't "like" them on Facebook because I don't want the rest of my non-cheer friends to wonder what on earth I'm looking at. As pc as I can make it: girls, you can show how flexible you are without me seeing your spleen. Tell your photo taking friend to move 6 inches to their left.

This. I see it a lot in dance too, where young girls will do a tilt or something directly facing the camera. You're showing your crotch to the camera, and it's not cute.
 
I can tell you that our uniforms are definitely a subject for debate. Would I EVER allow my girls to wear their uni around public places? No way!! But just like track or gymnastics, I do believe the need for tight fitting, smaller clothing is needed for safety purposes. But, the moment you are finished competing, you cover yourself up. Which is another rule we have. So as long as the breast and the booty are covered, I am indifferent on what a uni looks like on the floor. Just cover yourself up when you're done.

We will agree to disagree on the splits and body positions being similar to a dance that mimics having sex standing up.

Anyone who knows our owner, or me, or any of our other coaches knows that we do NOT judge others or look down on others for having opposing opinions just because we are Christians. But, I will say this, if anyone considers their self a Christian, then it is their obligation to read the bible and follow its principles to the best of their ability. Whether they do or not is between them and God. It's not my place to judge that. All I can do is do my best to not sin. But I also will not lie and tell someone what they are doing is ok when the bible clearly says its not ok. But I never give my opinion unless I'm asked for it. I do get tired of Christians getting a bad rap just because we disagree with what's popular in society.


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