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@Just-a-Mom - I couldn't agree more with what you said, and I don't necessarily have an issue with what icheergirl is posting - if there are financial issues with a gym, I would want to know if my thousands of dollars I am required to pay months before my child steps an Nfinity on the mat are never going to see a return. My issue is the approach she used. She started the thread and acted like she had no information and was wondering what was going on. Then, less than 24 hours later it turned out she had a lot of information. That just screams shade to me. I would not have had so much of an issue if she had called a spade for a spade and started the thread with information rather than bait and when no one was hooked she started firing off answers to her own question.
That's fair. People were questioning posting the info itself and I feel like we post stuff like that all the time. But you're probably right as far as intent.


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Stop loss theory. Ever play that game where you put in quarters into the the machine to have this little arm push them over the side to win more quarters? And it looks like a ton are about to fall, but you add 30 and nothing falls off the edge. So you add more because you have already added 30 and to recoup your losses you just need to invest more. Thats what happens to people a lot.

What a great analogy!
 
@Just-a-Mom - I couldn't agree more with what you said, and I don't necessarily have an issue with what icheergirl is posting - if there are financial issues with a gym, I would want to know if my thousands of dollars I am required to pay months before my child steps an Nfinity on the mat are never going to see a return. My issue is the approach she used. She started the thread and acted like she had no information and was wondering what was going on. Then, less than 24 hours later it turned out she had a lot of information. That just screams shade to me. I would not have had so much of an issue if she had called a spade for a spade and started the thread with information rather than bait and when no one was hooked she started firing off answers to her own question.

This comes back, I believe, to something I see a lot on this forum - the issues that arise with adults and kids being on a forum together. I'm pretty sure she's on the younger side of life (sadly, I am NOT). So as I read this thread, I have to really keep that in mind. I agree with what you said above, but, again, I have to remember this is most likely a cheerleader and not a parent so the filter of what he/she puts out there is different than mine. Doesn't make it right or wrong, just the differences between what adults might say on a forum vs a younger member.
 
Stop loss theory. Ever play that game where you put in quarters into the the machine to have this little arm push them over the side to win more quarters? And it looks like a ton are about to fall, but you add 30 and nothing falls off the edge. So you add more because you have already added 30 and to recoup your losses you just need to invest more. Thats what happens to people a lot.


Oh, so basically what I do everytime I go to the casino but on a much grander scale...haha
 
That is crazy to say no. Their are 6 tax liens from the Irs you can look up online, the rent is behind months, the loans are defaulted on, they can't get another loan, the owner has her mom paying for competitions, they have two owners filing lawsuits against each other with no agreement in sight, and you tell people the gym is staying open. That is reckless and will impact tons of kids. Did the owner tell you this. This is why generals left and why the other owner left. Their is a problem and the owner needs to come clean with her families. Not have people lie for her.


Your post really sounds personal to me, this is not the place to be airing out laundry and all of your posts just make you look bad. Time will tell what happens with this gym and these kids. A business split is a lot like a divorce and takes time and the ugly comes out of everyone when they take sides. I will take the time to do proper research before making any decisions or repeating any of this gossip. I just find it hard to believe that the gym has been open for 10 years while being shady. If that were the case why didn't the other owner do anything about it? Probably because it wasn't happening and why would they start now? I have so many questions about all of this and quite frankly think that there may be some truth to some it but definitely not all of it. I find when a poster gets so heated and changes their direction of their posts that they are the ones that are shady. Unless you are an owner of this gym it is none of your business what is going on, if you weren't happy then just leave but why do you seem to be on a rampage to take others with you? Bottom line is that this affects KIDS, my guess is there has been many a tear shed over this and that is just heartbreaking. Many choose this sport to find a 'place' in life that they feel safe. You are trying to ruin what little happiness some of these kids have. Shame on you.
 
So I know Famous had very similar financial problems caused directly by poor financial decision making and I was beyond upset that they continued to accept money from customers (aka my friends) knowing full well that their money problems weren't going away. I also remember everyone on here being fine discussing Famous' financials - in way more detail than this. Fierce board loves to be the great fbi that outs everyone else in the world for everything else they do - why is this different? Because we like cheer command? I liked ztaprincess too - but we fried that girl for dishonesty.

Speaking from experience I can honestly say that it is beyond frustrating when you are one of the people watching your friends be lied to and misled when it is something that involves children or money. This involves both. It is also beyond frustrating when you post something on here and everyone basically says "you have no proof" and "well the owners say it is not true so obviously it's not" and pretty much calls you a liar.

I'm not saying I'm jumping for joy that ICheergirl posted that much financial detail, but I am saying that out of frustration sometimes ya do kind of get like "Aaaaarrrgghhh! Why doesn't anyone see that this is happening? Why are they acting like I'm the one in the wrong? I'll show them 'facts'!" So sometimes facts that you weren't going to spill end up "out" because you want people to stop telling you you're wrong.

Personally I think it's wrong to take money from people, misuse it, and then tell them everything is fine. I think customers have a right to know what is going on with their money and their children. All I see is Famous all over again, just with a more reputable, long-running program. Sadly, lots of these kids are the same kids that came from Famous, so they're having to go through this again (as are their parents).

ETA this does make me more sad than the Famous thing though - because I really liked ccr and never saw this coming. Famous I saw from a mile away. Either way I'd like the kids to just get a clean break and be able to start over while it's still summer.

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I'm confused because I am still not seeing where most people denied what she was saying earlier about what was happening with the team, prior to more and more information being divulged. But I stay away from most other media and it could very well be being denied elsewhere and spilling over here. If that is the case I sympathize with her frustration but still wish the financial garbage would also have been spilled 'elsewhere'.

On a side note, regarding your comments about the families who have now experienced this twice. I wonder how many (if any) families finally give up on cheerleading altogether when something like this happens. Did a significant number of families just completely quit when the Famous debacle aired?
 
I sure do see Cheer Command at all the name recognized competitions, parents wearing some of the coolest clothes, new uniforms and trips to Worlds, coaches always having a good time and supporting those kids (always got a kick out of watching them cheer their teams on). Just can't believe money is so misappropriated seeing all of those things year after year.
 
Your post really sounds personal to me, this is not the place to be airing out laundry and all of your posts just make you look bad. Time will tell what happens with this gym and these kids. A business split is a lot like a divorce and takes time and the ugly comes out of everyone when they take sides. I will take the time to do proper research before making any decisions or repeating any of this gossip. I just find it hard to believe that the gym has been open for 10 years while being shady. If that were the case why didn't the other owner do anything about it? Probably because it wasn't happening and why would they start now? I have so many questions about all of this and quite frankly think that there may be some truth to some it but definitely not all of it. I find when a poster gets so heated and changes their direction of their posts that they are the ones that are shady. Unless you are an owner of this gym it is none of your business what is going on, if you weren't happy then just leave but why do you seem to be on a rampage to take others with you? Bottom line is that this affects KIDS, my guess is there has been many a tear shed over this and that is just heartbreaking. Many choose this sport to find a 'place' in life that they feel safe. You are trying to ruin what little happiness some of these kids have. Shame on you.
This is so true. And unless you are one of the owners, the info you are getting will undoubtedly be biased and/or twisted depending on who you are getting it from. Cp was at a gym where the owners split and the discrepancies between the reasons for the split what actually happened in the aftermath are huge and still amaze me.
 
I apologize for letting emotions get into this thing. But at some point you have to let people know you are getting taken. Cheer Command has never expanded over the years and people could never understand why. This is not something that happened over night. As far as being shady the owner has aligned herself with someone that has ruined 3 programs. She owned TCA and closed their cheerleading, owned Heat Elite closed them, had issues at Allstar Athletics and tried to ruin them. Now she is doing it at cheer command. What I posted anyone can look up. If I have to be the bad girl because I told truth about money issues whatever. I wish someone would tell me if I was getting ripped off. You noticed no one said my stuff is not true. Yes maybe I did wants all my fellow cheerleaders to know what was up. Let me know if you think I am wrong in a month.You may be saying maybe I should have listened to my girl. I challenge you to find one girl who hasn't had a money problem at CC while there. I still have many friends there and will hope they don't lose their home, but lets be real now why would all this be happening if something wasn't wrong. Whole teams just don't leave gyms for nothing##
 
I apologize for letting emotions get into this thing. But at some point you have to let people know you are getting taken. Cheer Command has never expanded over the years and people could never understand why. This is not something that happened over night. As far as being shady the owner has aligned herself with someone that has ruined 3 programs. She owned TCA and closed their cheerleading, owned Heat Elite closed them, had issues at Allstar Athletics and tried to ruin them. Now she is doing it at cheer command. What I posted anyone can look up. If I have to be the bad girl because I told truth about money issues whatever. I wish someone would tell me if I was getting ripped off. You noticed no one said my stuff is not true. Yes maybe I did wants all my fellow cheerleaders to know what was up. Let me know if you think I am wrong in a month.You may be saying maybe I should have listened to my girl. I challenge you to find one girl who hasn't had a money problem at CC while there. I still have many friends there and will hope they don't lose their home, but lets be real now why would all this be happening if something wasn't wrong. Whole teams just don't leave gyms for nothing##

Not one person has said you were credible either. :cow: How is it that this thread has not been COWED yet?
 
OK. Now this has gone too far. I am the person you are referring to icheergirl.
1. I never owned TCA
2. I was co-owner of Heat but I left during a partner split and Heat stayed open another 2 seasons.
3. I was also at Allstar Athletics after my departure from Heat and yes had issues but I never tried to ruin them, in fact they are thriving from what I can see.
And why would I want to ruin Cheer Command? I still have 2 girls cheering there and we are on our 5th season with them! I want them to stay open, I want them to succeed.

icheergirl, you don't seem to know what your relationship is to Generals or Cheer Command since your sources and your relationship change based on the need to 'provide' your proof.

'One of my best friends goes there and said they are closing due to money issues
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'Girl on generals confirmed that'
'but my friend confirmed with girl on generals.'
'This is directly from someone at CC.'
'This is directly from someone on generals she is my cousin.'
'This was copied and pasted directly from a general parent'
'No longer on Generals but have many good friends still and you are not hearing the whole story'
'I was told by 6 girls I cheered with on team'
Cousin, prior cheerleader, friend, friend of a friend...Your credibility is poor to say the least.

I had refused to read any of this thread due to the fact that I did not want to read all of the trash talk but when you try to ruin people for what appears to be your own motives I have to speak up. I am requesting this thread to be shut down.

And for the record any more posts you choose to make about me, try calling me instead. I know you have my phone #.
 
I'm confused because I am still not seeing where most people denied what she was saying earlier about what was happening with the team, prior to more and more information being divulged. But I stay away from most other media and it could very well be being denied elsewhere and spilling over here. If that is the case I sympathize with her frustration but still wish the financial garbage would also have been spilled 'elsewhere'.

On a side note, regarding your comments about the families who have now experienced this twice. I wonder how many (if any) families finally give up on cheerleading altogether when something like this happens. Did a significant number of families just completely quit when the Famous debacle aired?

I guess not really denying it as much as the sarcastic comments about "My cousin's boyfriend's sister's hairdresser told me". That's hardly the same as "My friend on Generals told me" (someone directly involved). It's annoying when you're saying something and you get a bunch of :rolleyes: this face and sarcasm, when you know that what you're saying is the truth. If I've learned one thing on these boards it's that 99% of these kind of rumors end up being true. And everyone saying to ask the owner, well I just think that's absurd. When, ever, in the history of Fierce Board, has an owner been asked about these kinds of rumors and said "Yep. All true." Never. Not once. Not in the past, not now, not in the future.

I just find we very much cherry pick when it's ok to blast someone's personal business all over the boards and then rip them to shreds for days. Famous - ok. Ztaprincess - ok. Whatever that gym on the east coast with the bus was - ok. Trinity - ok. Sometimes CEA if we're mad enough - ok.

But now all of a sudden it's hush hush. :confused:

Second half of your post - I'm not sure. I know a lot of people left Famous saying they were done cheering. Of course plenty just went to other gyms and are still cheering away. I've seen about 4 of my friends end up going back to cheer this season after taking a little over a year off. But all of them are definitely not as into it as they were. Most of them also do another sport now, and are at tiny gyms, and really seem to have lost the passion. Cheer seems to just be something they do now, whereas it used to be their life. :(
 
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