All-Star Random Scoring Idea - Varsity

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For stunting making true coed stunting (no spot helping, true 1 on 1 holding it) worth 11-12 difficulty.
 
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there is no way to score between the 8-9 difficulty for group and 11-12 for true coed.
 
For the scoring impaired, are you saying if true coed can score 11-12 then ONLY true coed stunts can get in that range? If so, I'm all about it.


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IMO I think judges shouldn't use ranges. (Ex. 11-12) if a team goes out there and attempts the difficulty then they should get the points for it. By allowing ranges on the score sheet were basically enabling judge#1 to look at fabulous allstars and score them an 11 while glitter elite comes out 30 teams later and does the same stunt but gets a 12 for no apparent reason. But of course execution will have its OWN section just in case glitter elite is wobbly and fabulous allstars is flawless.


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IMO I think judges shouldn't use ranges. (Ex. 11-12) if a team goes out there and attempts the difficulty then they should get the points for it. By allowing ranges on the score sheet were basically enabling judge#1 to look at fabulous allstars and score them an 11 while glitter elite comes out 30 teams later and does the same stunt but gets a 12 for no apparent reason. But of course execution will have its OWN section just in case glitter elite is wobbly and fabulous allstars is flawless.


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I don't like ranges either, but it think it's a necessary evil. A toss lib could get you into the high range, but a toss 1/4 arabesque is much harder and shouldn't be scored the same. That's where the range is useful. If only they could figure out a way to make it consistent...
 
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The type of boys to truly hold a coed stunt by themselves, in college or allstar, is generally very limiting to the other aspects of cheer (tumbling and jumping... I won't include dancing cause even bigger boys can dance). For the risk of getting these larger boys who can hold true stunts to be worth it there needs to be a giant reward to offset the massive amount of points that standing, running, and jumps mean. From those categories I said 3 more difficulty points if you truly hold a stunt on your own with the majority. Now you create a situation where a team could go for it with stunts and be lax in tumbling and still win.
 
Eh, I don't think the demand is there right now. If we had a few more competitive large coed teams vying for the top spot, I'd see the value. Otherwise, I think we'd trend towards even more compensatory routines where every single lg coed would "try" to do toss to lib/stretch. Just like double ups are finally starting to take over en mast to the full/1.5 up that was prevalent 3 years ago, "true" coed stunting needs more time to develop. I don't think many teams would be able too compete a 12 with all 12 guys just yet (at least not given last year's routines). I think with rule changes, we need to see a trend of several teams maxing out at the skype, THEN increase the difficulty of the scoresheet later, not the other way around.

Now Open teams? I'd agree. Those guys should be stunting at a more rigorous level. Senior teams? Not just yet.
 
I'm with dmouth11 on this one. I just don't want to kill the group stunt on a coed team in favor of a bunch of crappy toss libs, or even worse, toss extensions. I think the coed stunting requirement is important, but I'm not sure that this is the way to do it just yet.
 
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I'm with dmouth11 on this one. I just don't want to kill the group stunt on a coed team in favor of a bunch of crappy toss libs, or even worse, toss extensions. I think the coed stunting requirement is important, but I'm not sure that this is the way to do it just yet.

Just add the requirement of single based double twisting dismount as well to get there. #boom
 
Just add the requirement of single based double twisting dismount as well to get there. #boom

For a senior team? There's a lot of open teams that don't double down without a hands on.
 
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For a senior team? There's a lot of open teams that don't double down without a hands on.

And there is a lot of teams that shouldn't get credit for single based stunting and yet do. That's the point. There is VERY little return for actually coed stunting. A single based toss lib pop down isn't true competitive single based stunting. To reward the risk there has to be a high point value.

Example: the highest level tumblers can still get credit for 90% of what they can do on the floor (some type of creative combination). But when it comes to stunts a true single based fullup gets nuttin'.
 
And there is a lot of teams that shouldn't get credit for single based stunting and yet do. That's the point. There is VERY little return for actually coed stunting. A single based toss lib pop down isn't true competitive single based stunting. To reward the risk there has to be a high point value.

Example: the highest level tumblers can still get credit for 90% of what they can do on the floor (some type of creative combination). But when it comes to stunts a true single based fullup gets nuttin'.

Okay, fine, but are we talking one person or the majority of boys? If you make the requirement so difficult that no teams will be able to reach it (and, what, maybe Top Gun could do it?), then teams are going to stick with their group stunt double ups.

The rules for coed stunting are as lax as they are now so that teams will start putting an emphasis on it. The idea is to increase the requirements as more teams can do the skills.
 
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Okay, fine, but are we talking one person or the majority of boys? If you make the requirement so difficult that no teams will be able to reach it (and, what, maybe Top Gun could do it?), then teams are going to stick with their group stunt double ups.

The rules for coed stunting are as lax as they are now so that teams will start putting an emphasis on it. The idea is to increase the requirements as more teams can do the skills.

But that is the issue is that there is a huge gap in true coed requirements and what kind of boys it takes. To commit to do it the type of boy required would lose most of their tumbling and jumps, hence those scores would go down. This is not something that many teams, if ever, would be able to max out all areas. And that is fine. I don't think top gun could do it outside of that one guy who is pretty stout.
 
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