Age Grid 2020-2021

Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by GlitterBear, Mar 5, 2020.

  1. 123jump4!

    123jump4! I have my own cheer message board

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2014
    Messages:
    2,405
    Shimmys Received:
    2,385
    Location:
    GA
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    It’s not all 12 year olds. Just those that turned 12 this year. (Born in 2008.) So if Suzy turned 12 in December she can not be on youth.

     
  2. cheerbowgirl101

    cheerbowgirl101 Cheer Stalker

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2020
    Messages:
    70
    Shimmys Received:
    48
    I am a(n)...:
    Athlete
    Raising the junior age to 16(born 2004) is kind of ridiculous. I don’t know any (current) high school sophomores that would want to be on a junior team. You have to age out at some point. Not just for preference, but for appropriate age gaps within a team, as well as equity in tryout competition. Suzie won’t make Y3 if Becky who has been on it for several years won’t leave because she is suddenly eligible again. Even if Becky realistically should be on S3.
     
    • Shimmy Shimmy x 5
    • Like Like x 1
    • List
  3. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    6,089
    Shimmys Received:
    17,840
    I am a(n)...:
    Coach
    In a tryout sense, I feel like if (example) an athlete can be on any of these 3 by age/skills:

    Y3
    J3
    S3

    They're 99% of the time going to want the Senior team.

    The skills are same but I find that kids always tend to aspire to the oldest group.

    Ex: At schools where 7th and 8th grade MS cheerleaders can be placed on HS JV cheer based on skills, the 7s and 8s are shooting to be on HS JV over the MS team.

    This is especially true of kids who want to fly.

    That tween age is when kids grow so many might balk at staying Youth or Junior because they're on track to outgrow folks. (You can't compete with someone in elementary school for a flying spot once you're 16 unless you're someone who is on track to be a teeny tiny adult.)
     
  4. cheerbowgirl101

    cheerbowgirl101 Cheer Stalker

    Joined:
    Apr 1, 2020
    Messages:
    70
    Shimmys Received:
    48
    I am a(n)...:
    Athlete
    I absolutely agree with this(in fact I was an eighth grader on the HS JV team;)), but there will always be athletes who will wish to stay on their young team for as long as possible in order to stay with friends/emotional attachment to being on a certain team. That’s more along the lines of what I was thinking.
     
  5. DonnaM

    DonnaM I named my pet Sir Fierce-a-lot

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2017
    Messages:
    452
    Shimmys Received:
    436
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    I have a rising senior with a 2004 birthdate (one year grade skip and fall birthday, meaning that she entered kindergarten at 4 and will graduate at 16). I suggested that she could be on a junior team since she doesn't particularly like crop tops. She rolled her eyes at me. Although she did comment that if they gave her one of our better Youth flyers, they could do some really awesome partner stunts :).
     
  6. Jenniferg482

    Jenniferg482 They call me Susie

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2019
    Messages:
    71
    Shimmys Received:
    76
    Location:
    NJ
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    This was my daughter last year. She was 11/turned 12. The teams available were Y2 J3 and S2. She didn’t want to be the oldest y2 OR youngest S2 but wasn’t ready to stunt J3.
    She was picked For S2 - And was a bit lost socially. Hoping for a J team this year....

     
  7. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    6,089
    Shimmys Received:
    17,840
    I am a(n)...:
    Coach
    I DO think there is value in the LEADERSHIP experience kids can gain by spending maybe a year in the Older Girls group of a Youth or Mini team.

    Ex: Being one of the oldest kids on a Youth 2 for a year allows you to learn how to motivate others, etc. You can really push and motivate the girls who are new to the team. Kind of like being the senior on a HS squad.

    Disclaimer: Being the oldest Mini 2 or Youth 2 for like 3 years is probably less fulfilling but a year can do a lot for a kid's confidence.
     
  8. ImAChauffeuse

    ImAChauffeuse I shimmy daily

    Joined:
    May 26, 2018
    Messages:
    48
    Shimmys Received:
    141
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    There’s also the potential for bullying. Not every older kid has leadership skills/potential and more than a few lord their age over the younger ones. That bossiness turns into bullying very quickly if the coaches aren’t on top of it. Both the junior and senior teams at different gyms my daughter has been on had bullying issues that went on the entire year in large part due to the age gap. The coaches can’t catch everything and I’ve found the whole “zero tolerance for bullying” thing is just a platitude, not something that is followed through on.

    We had a girl on the team last year who would constantly scream at and berate her teammates, and would go so far as to regularly pinch and dig her nails into her much younger flyer’s legs as punishment if she felt she wasn’t tight in the air or whatever. This bully that all the older girls despised for her screaming and the younger girls were afraid of remained on the team even after the coaches were made aware of the physical abuse (they had to have been aware of the verbal assaults). The younger kids are often too afraid to say anything.
     
    Last edited: May 27, 2020
  9. oncecoolcoachnowmom

    oncecoolcoachnowmom Bestest Newbie '14

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2014
    Messages:
    6,089
    Shimmys Received:
    17,840
    I am a(n)...:
    Coach

    Age groups aside:

    This is a gym culture issue more than anything.

    I would run fast from any program not taking it seriously.
     
  10. Jenniferg482

    Jenniferg482 They call me Susie

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2019
    Messages:
    71
    Shimmys Received:
    76
    Location:
    NJ
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    yes- we wished she was on youth as opposed to senior but not really our choice. The youth team was highly competitive highly skilled young athletes. The Sr Team was high school girls who wanted to be “cool”- they didn’t really push. It was a tough year. My daughter is shy and socially awkward on her best day- surrounded by older cool girls she became Basically invisible- was not the “baby” you see getting carried around. It was sad. But she loves the gym and is going back hoping for a better fit this year.


     
  11. alpaca

    alpaca Best Flyer.. on a parent team

    Joined:
    Apr 21, 2017
    Messages:
    498
    Shimmys Received:
    549
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    I am fascinated by how this works. That a a student can participate in a sport for a school that they do not attend. Does this happen with other sports and activities? In my area, middle and high school end at different times, run different busses and the physical buildings are a few miles apart from each other. After school practices could be logistically challenging.
     
  12. SparkleSpankies

    SparkleSpankies I think I can mix Cheer Music

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2011
    Messages:
    1,235
    Shimmys Received:
    1,514
    I am a(n)...:
    Coach
    JUNIORS some will be JUNIORS.
     
  13. cac4life

    cac4life Cheer Stalker

    Joined:
    Feb 12, 2020
    Messages:
    81
    Shimmys Received:
    25
    Location:
    THE GYM
    I am a(n)...:
    Athlete
    NO! I really love getting to crossover, it is one of the best things about being an athlete! I love it so much. Gyms need to stop taking advantage of it, yes, but if the kid wants to crossover, yet them crossover.
     
  14. cheermomforever

    cheermomforever Slow your roll, Sparkle.

    Joined:
    May 16, 2012
    Messages:
    3,219
    Shimmys Received:
    3,072
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    If they knew.....then that are people who shouldn’t be coaching!!
     
  15. Jenniferg482

    Jenniferg482 They call me Susie

    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2019
    Messages:
    71
    Shimmys Received:
    76
    Location:
    NJ
    I am a(n)...:
    Parent
    I know They just started accepting 7&8 graders 2 season ago at our high school. They have Had a few 8th graders Each year but no 7th graders yet. The odd thing is it is a regional highschool- but only girls from the actual town the school is in are eligible- not any of the other regional districts. Something to do with taxes or Ins supposedly. But I do know my daughter is not interested in HS cheer wants to continue AS. I may push her to do football but not compete HS.