All Star Rec

Discussion in 'Rec Cheerleading' started by Labegg, Aug 15, 2012.

  1. eliteathletics

    eliteathletics I make my own voiceovers

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    Is your team out of an allstar gym? or are they registered to a town league? our kids register under the Commack youth league, we are a town organization, we have football, cheerleading, basketball and lax. We play/compete against other town teams- we are coached by volunteers, we are non for profit and we answer to our board members.
    Cheerleaders consist of the town residents- everyone who pays- plays...
    We do not own a facility, pay our coaches nor have access to 55-255 other athletes to fill in if needed. We are not an allstar team, we do not get a pay check.
    These are some of the differences between rec and prep. It does not warrent 1 of my teams being a rec team (because we think thats where they should be) and 1 team being prep. You compete at the level that you truly are not where the coaches think you will do best.
    Thats known as sandbagging. I can take my sr 4 team and make them a sr 3 team at a few competitions because I know they will kick butt- but thats cheating and Im not for that. I say stand up give it your best - and if your beat by a better team- then work harder for the next competition.
    We competed at UCA high school nationals 2 years in a row- yr 1 got 3rd and 4th yr 2 - got 3 out of 12 1st and 1st (youth and jr got 1st sr got 3rd) so we stood up and worked harder.
    And Maybe Im taking your posts wrong and if I am Im sorry- Maybe you are a true rec team who took the challenge and went up a level into prep, in which case kudos to you and your team, and hopefully the hard work will eventually pay off.

     
  2. Callmeboots

    Callmeboots I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    This is how my team is, however we don't cheer for games. It bothers me that people, not saying you are, are saying that we should compete all star. We fit all the other Rec requirements, just apparently not the big one. I don't want to go to a competition and have people say we cheated, so I guess I'm just trying to get more insight on where we really do fit.
     
  3. MomOf2ThatsMe

    MomOf2ThatsMe Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Yes, we are based out of an allstar gym. And no, our gym owner did not drop them down to rec for a couple of competitions. They competed as that all season. And they were beat by a rec team one of the two times they actually had someone in their division. Their skill level was not where it needed to be to compete in an allstar division. That is the beauty of USASF competitions. We have different divisions and age brackets to allow everybody to compete in a division they will be competitive at.

    Quite honestly, your posts all through the thread are coming across rather hostile. There was already an explaination as to why the division was named Allstar Prep:

    The Allstar rec division is exactly what I was referencing in my previous posts- a middle ground for half-year teams based out of allstar gyms to compete, as well as competitive rec teams. It is like Allstar Lite, but also Rec Plus. Most kids do not spend years doing half-year teams, at least on the allstar side. I cannot see where there would be any competitive advantage to putting a team full of first year 8 year olds who have been practicing for four months out of an allstar gym on the floor against a team of girls who are also first year 8 year olds who happen to be practicing in a gymnasium versus a gym. Gyms don't hire professional choreographers for their half-year teams, nor do they practice three days a week either.
    As of last year, there was no "Allstar Rec" division. I don't know what the specifictions were for the entry of teams into the rec division at the competitions that team went to. It is quite possible that the division was created for both rec and half-year teams, and thus they would have been well within their bounds to enter the team in that division, which would have been fitting since that was the team's intent all along.
    We can sit here and talk circles around the fact that the rec teams don't feel as if the half-year teams belonged in the rec division, and the half-year teams will sit there and say that there was no other division for them and that is why they were competing rec. This was last year's business, and USASF has acknowleged the issue, and set forth the groundwork for a solution. With some tweaking, it can be a great thing. If you don't like that the USASF is allowing half-year allstar teams into the division, there are plenty of non-USASF competitions you may enter. You are also welcome to enter the rec division that still exists.
     
  4. eliteathletics

    eliteathletics I make my own voiceovers

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    There are no rules as to how many games you cheer for, so why dont you cheer at 1 or 2 and then noone can say a thing! You did what you had to do considering you fall into every other catagory in the rec division.
    We have to go back to cheering this season because we didnt have to when we just cheered town, however since we are rules followers we will cheer so that we can be considered and prove that we are a true rec team and NOT allstar prep.
     
  5. eliteathletics

    eliteathletics I make my own voiceovers

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    I am so sorry if you think I am hostile - you are taking my passion the wrong way. As a rec coach I am tired of justyfying myself to people- my teams are not allstars they are a rec team coached by volunteers- not paid professional coaches regardless of how many days, or times we practice.
    According to jamfest rules - here is what they deam a rec team.
    Have their own practice facility or gym.
    Hold practice and/or attend tumbling classes at gymnastics or all star cheer facilities.
    Represent their individual recreational team or their entire Cheer.
    Combine team members from all teams within a recreational Cheer if the Cheer allows them to do so.
    Have team members who also participate on school or all star teams.
    ****Competitive Cheer Teams who are affiliated with all star programs or schools, even if it is a half-year
    or introductory team, will need to register in the all star, prep or school division that best suits their
    ability level at The JAM Brands. They are NOT considered Competitive Rec Cheer teams and cannot
    register in the Competitive Rec Cheer Divisions listed above for The JAM Brands events.

    According to Jam if you register thru an allstar gym - you are allstar prep, not rec.
     
  6. MomOf2ThatsMe

    MomOf2ThatsMe Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    You do not need to justify yourself to me. My daughter has cheered at just about every available level of cheer available to children. Rec through allstars. I get where you are coming from. Insofar as coaches, that is a crap shoot, TBH. Our gym usually gives our half-year teams to our first year coaches. College freshmen. You are more experienced than they are. You will have to remember this season that Allstar Rec is a completely new division. It is listed on page 5 of the USASF age grid rules under "trial/non-sanctioned" and highlighted in yellow, as it is an addition this year. http://usasfrules.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/USASF-Age-Grid-12-13-Rev-6-27-12.pdf
    It is completely up to each individual EP to define what the qualifications for entry into that division are, aside from routines being 2 minutes or less, and having no full-year crossovers (which I thoroughly agree with). What Jamfest defines Allstar Prep as may not be what Spirit Sports, Allstar Challenge, Cheer Ltd., or Cheersport would define it as. Since it is a new division this year, and we didn't attend any Jamfest events last year, we didn't fall under those rules. If you intend on entering events in this division this year, I would recommend thoroughly researching what the EP's defining criteria are.
     
  7. MomOf2ThatsMe

    MomOf2ThatsMe Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I just want to add that I do have a vested interest in seeing the Allstar Prep division flourish this season. I have a 5 year old who will be doing a half-year team (starts on the 6th) and I am assuming will be in this division for at least some of the competitions this season. I have no desire to see her team compete against full-year allstar teams. We had a fierce full-year allstar tiny team last season that went almost undefeated except at BATB. I saw what went into it, and the talent involved, and am pleased that this group of first-year 3-5 year olds will be able to take the mat on a level playing field against other teams that have only been practicing 4 or so months.
     
  8. Cheerlicious

    Cheerlicious I nugget in the back

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    Where are y'all from...maybe you can compete your teams together this year :)
     
  9. SharkDad

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    Everyone please keep in mind this is not a well defined or regulated area of the sport. The definitions depend on what area you are from and from competition to competition.

    It's harsh (and inaccurate) to throw around words like cheating when it depends on the situation.
     
  10. eliteathletics

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    We are from long island- unfortunately there are no competions held here so we will be traveling to new jersey, mass, pa, rhode island. We are Commack Elite- hope to see some of you all in comps this season.
     
  11. Labegg

    Labegg I Fierce Board instead of work/study

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    In my cheer world (which of course if the "correct" cheer world;))

    Rec Cheer: a team that cheers full time for a sport (other than cheer). May participate in 1 or 2 competitions against other teams that also cheer full time for a sport. Utlizing their "half-time" show for the competition. All volunteer staff, fees under $500, uses county facilities for practice space (No spring floor).

    Competative Rec: a team that cheers full time for a sport AND participates at competitions with a seperate "competition" length (2:30 minutes) routine at more than 2 competitions. STILL has an all volunteer staff (including coaches), fees range under $1200, must use county facilities or "rent" time from a gym but does not own a cheer facility (spring floor).

    All Star Rec: a team put together solely for the purpose of competing at cheer competitions. NO try outs everyone "cheers", fees less than $1500 or 30% less than the all star teams at said gym. Paid staff (coaches) or volunteer (coaches) supplemented by occasional coaching by a paid cheer professional. Full length (2:30 min) routines, practices at an actual cheer facility (whether full time or part-time). Basically if you utilize cheer facilities or your athletes take tumble classes/stunt classes coached by an all star coach/gym for the purpose of advancing the team skill level.

    All Star Prep: half year teams put together by an All Star Gym that may include athletes with cheer experience (ie High School, previous all star experience). Paid staff (professional coaches), full routine, practice at cheer facility that also has regular all star teams.
     
  12. Callmeboots

    Callmeboots I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    I really like this, but where would All-Star Rec fall in competitions? Would it be considered Rec, All-Star, or Prep?
     
  13. Labegg

    Labegg I Fierce Board instead of work/study

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    Not sure waht you mean. :confused: Like does all star rec compete on the Rec Day/Weekend or the All Star Day/Weekend? (ie. Reach the Beach - all star weekend or rec weekend?
    If that is the case, I'd say All Star Rec would be the rec weekend. All Star Prep would be on the All Star Weekend.

    I'd say its up to the EP to decide which divisions for offer at each competition. Which of course leaves you with the unfortunate situation of registering for a competition and having no one to compete against. Then the EP has to decide what to do with you and I guess you'd have to decide if you wanted to give it a go against an all star team...

    That's why changing the routine length to 2:00 really isn't the answer. For an all star gym it should be easier to cut a routine down to time than to build one up to meet 2:30. All Star gyms routinely change up routines and music throughout a season to keep the competative edge. All volunteer organizations just don't have the resources to keep changing a routine. So I don't see that the change in routine length is a deterent for an all star gym/all star prep team from bumping down to all star rec, but it is a deterent for an all star rec team trying to bump up.
     
  14. Callmeboots

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    Yeah that's kind of what I meant. Like for jamfest they offer the categories Rec, Prep and All Star...so I would assume All Star Rec would fall under the Rec category, not the All Star Prep one?
     
  15. SMASHALLSTARS

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    If you don't cheer for a sport you should be considered Allstars. Not Rec allstar/ allstar prep.in my opinion.