Covid-19 / Varsity Response

Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by Jenniferg482, Mar 11, 2020.

  1. NavarroNewb20

    NavarroNewb20 I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    I'm seeing that quite a bit on IG. For cheer and also ballet (matching leos and masks). New normal, I guess.

     
  2. XtremeWpg

    XtremeWpg I have my own cheer message board

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    We're in phase 2 of opening in my province. Next week we will move to phase 3.
    We have around 4-5 cases announced per week. We're currently at 9 active cases.

    We were required to do the following:
    Our provincial organization submitted a return to play plan to our provincial sports governing body. This was submitted to provincial health authorities and approved.

    We cannot stunt. Full stop, not allowed at this time. If we do, and are caught, we will be subjected to a fine of over $2000 for violating a public health order. We cannot spot kids or come into physical contact with them. Coaches must wear masks, however athletes are not required to unless they want to. We must strictly enforce keeping athletes 6 feet apart. We have highly specific sanitation, entry/exit, drop off/pick up and hygiene protocols that must be followed. We must symptom screen every human that enters the facility. We must document that this screening happened and a parent/guardian physically signs off that their athlete is symptom free.

    We will jump, tumble, dance, condition, stretch and everything except stunt until contact sports are eligible to return. At this time, no sport is allowed any physical contact whatsoever, unless you super feel like paying a public health fine.

    This is the world we live in. I cannot begin to consider what a business killer it would be to have a gym become an infection hot spot and to cause a localized outbreak. And this is coming from a province that has had just over 300 cases *total*. We have taken precaution beyond what our provincial organization has required because we do have a coach who works with the Canadian government on multiple federal committees regarding covid.

    Our kids want to stunt. We get messages, emails, you name it asking us when it's possible. But seeing as its basically a crime to stand close to anyone right now, it won't happen.
     
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    Atxmom I shimmy daily

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    I hate being that parent. Most of my mom group consented because they didn’t want their kid left out. I don’t know what the right answer is. We are in Texas and I agree with very little that our governor does.

    As far as cheer goes...I don’t know what I want to happen, but what I am seeing (from a lot gyms also) makes me uncomfortable. My child is prone to respiratory infections, I don’t her getting breathed on all the time, but wearing a mask in the gym would also severely comprise her ability to breathe. And it’s not enough if she’s the only one wearing a mask.

    Hospitalizations are at record high yet we keep moving forward with reopening everything. I know 12 people who have had the virus, 2 are still alive. I’m not saying we should go back to lockdown. I do want some normalcy for my child. I feel like I’m the only one concerned with how fast we are moving forward.
     
  4. AndyT_T

    AndyT_T Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I’m at a loss. I’m more than willing to have a nuanced discussion about what the research says but I can’t do that if you put more weight in anecdotal evidence than you do in data and expert opinion.

    Every doctor is not equally prepared to deal with every problem. An emergency physician is board certified in emergency care, not in infectious disease or epidemiology. ER nurses are experts in ER nursing just like I am expert in ICU nursing, but we are not experts in epidemiology or infectious disease either. It is very easy for us to fall for the dunning Kruger effect and oversimplify very complex and nuanced issues, which is what is happening when they tell you that some people not wearing masks effectively or correctly means we shouldn’t encourage anyone to wear masks.

    Data and research can be skewed and misconstrued to suit a political agenda or confirm a personal bias but individual opinions are always skewed to reflect personal biases and agendas (often times accidentally).

    In the 50s, weight was put on “expert options” and individual doctors would create treatment plans based on their own belief of what is best. What we found through research is that that is ineffective. Expert opinions were replaced, for the most part, by evidence based practice and patient outcomes have been much better for it. There are times where we have to trust expert opinions, and in those cases we turn to the people who are most educated/trained on the topic. In this case, epidemiologists and infectious disease experts like Fauci. Other than that, we have to turn to research and evidence.

    So like I said, frontline workers (myself included) are not expert opinions. Nor are doctors board certified in anything other than PulmCrit, ID, or Epidemiology. We are too susceptible to inadvertent bias.

    You wouldn’t go to an emergency physician to treat your cancer, you’d go to an oncologist. So don’t go to an ED doc (or any other doc) for advice on this topic, go to an ID/Epidemiology doc.
     
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  5. AndyT_T

    AndyT_T Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Thank you so much for sharing your story! I am so sorry you had to go through something like this, I wish more than anything no one would have to go through what you and my patients have gone through. All I want is for the smallest number of people possible to get sick. The smallest number of deaths. The reason I have been so outspoken on here is because I am terrified people aren’t going to take this seriously enough and more people will suffer.

    I am so sorry this happened to you, but I hope you sharing your story will open some eyes. Cheerleading has been the most important thing in my life for over a decade, but it has to take a back seat right now. Please everyone, your health and your families health is the only thing that matters! Cheerleading will be here when the world returns to normal.

    Even if we don’t get a vaccine, we are getting better at treating this thing every day. Your odds of survival or your families odds of survival will be much higher in a year than they would be right now.
     
  6. cac4life

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    haha, we have logo mask to!
     
  7. Ems

    Ems I have my own cheer message board

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    Big big yes to this. I have little to no knowledge about diseases, but I can speak about this. I'm less than 30 days away from finishing a graduate degree in Statistics and the rampant and corrupt misuse of data and statistics is very scary. I mean look at the chart the Georgia Department of Health put out. It was intentionally misleading; with most langauges/softwares with graphing capabilities, you have to go out of your way to put dates out of order. I could go on about ethics in stats, but to anyone looking at graphs or numbers or statistics, be a little bit skeptical. You don't need to go out of your way and do hours of research or have a math degree, but consider asking yourself, "Does this make sense? (i.e., do the axes make sense, does the numbers they're reporting make sense?)", and "Who is presenting this information and where did they get it from?"

    I'm not going to go crazy in depth because I know math isn't everyone's cup of tea, but if anyone wants more details feel free to quote me or PM me.
     
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  8. Cheer0825

    Cheer0825 Somewhere... some one.... is giving me a slow clap

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    Ditto from a Poli Sci major! Data in political or social issues is often really complex. Issues like Covid’s spread are often multivariate and showing overly simplified data can be so misleading
     
  9. NavarroNewb20

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    A coach at CA Plano tested positive, per IG. Best wishes for them. :(
     
  10. cac4life

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    Oh no, that's awful. Praying for the coach and family.

    Ps. not trying to sound selfish, but stinks for all the athletes too...they will be probably out of the gym again, and all quarantined for 2 weeks and tested.
     
  11. NavarroNewb20

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    Yeah. and now three coaches are mentioned as positive. What about those still not tested?



    ETA: I guess no IG links.
     
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    Where does it say 3 coaches?
     
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  14. cac4life

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    This is awful. Praying for the entire CA family
     
  15. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    Source? As of June 19th Sweden has dropped from 8th when I originally posted to now 9th per my source....which I gave and will give again. Give me your source instead of "please don't tell me about my country" and perhaps I can look at the data and compare. I go on global websites that provide actual data but, perhaps since "it's your country" you know more than them.

    Coronavirus death rate by country | Statista

    @AndyT_T again, this is about people picking and choosing their sources. I gave you the WHO and Dr. Birx, you are giving me the CDC. This virus is here to stay for a long time, do we just put life on hold until a supposed vaccine or "cure" comes around? Yes, it's unfortunate and a horrible virus, but as long as our hospitals are able to handle the sick, life needs to move forward. We have neighbor furloughed doctors and nurses that are worried because some are starting to lose their jobs....in a pandemic. You asked me if I want an ER doctor treating my supposed cancer, well it looks like we are heading that way if we don't get our doctors back giving treatments and surgeries. My daughter's surgery is still on hold because of all the backlog.
     
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