Crazy ideas for improving the all-star industry

Discussion in 'Discussing the Cheerleading Industry' started by BlueCat, Jan 26, 2010.

  1. firefly

    firefly I'm new. Don't Hurt Me

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    Why don't we just get rid of senior 2 but keep sr 4.2?
    I also think we should get rid of Mini 3, Youth 5, Senior 1.
    And rwork the tumbling rules for senior open 5.

     
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    Once a new thread is created for this topic would you mind expanding on your answer?

    I asked the question to find out how people think the USASF has helped the Athletes, Parents, Coaches, Gyms, and/or Event Producers. What actions have they taken and what have been the intended and unintended consequences, positive or negative?
     
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    I am definitely in favor of going to the division I/II system and get rid of the small/large gym divisions. This will give the small gyms and even teams from some of the larger gyms a choice of who they compete against, remember larger is not always better and smaller is not always less.

    I am also in favor of having the judges universally certified and a requirement for event producers to use judges from this pool.

    Someone mentioned having each cheerleader be a card carrying member of the USASF and be required to have a photo ID with a barcode to scan at registration. I don't agree with this and simply think this idea is too far over the top and frankly I fail to see how it will improve the sport.
     
  4. KB_Legend

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    I have been meaning to read this whole thread and just finally got around to it... I have really enjoyed quite a few of the ideas/opinions in here, I hope this and these types of discussions can continue, I will be a lot more inclined to read and post regularly. That being said can we split this up into a few topics so it is easier to follow and we can go into more depth on specific subjects?? Till then I'm gonna go through and make some comments in posts to follow...
     
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    It's looking like we are on our way to a unified score sheet already, which is a good thing!! Varsity has their "universal" scoresheet which most of their member companies are following and JAMbrands has their version. Is this perfect? No. Are there still some companies using their own scoring system? Yes. But you have to start somewhere and I think this is a major step in the right direction... Glass half full people...

    As far as skills being legal at one competition and not at others, I think those days are pretty much behind us unless you are competing at non USASF member competitions of which I don't think there are too many left...

    For the most part people who judge a lot do judge for various companies which is a good and bad thing... It's good because the more qualified people are going to multiple events and staying current, but it's bad because they are trying to juggle between various scoring grids. I think some type of USASF sponsored judges training and certification is a great idea but there are quite a few changes that need to be made before that is a possibility, mainly that the event producers will need to be on the same page, again the path is cleared but we need to walk it
     
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    I would say that, generally speaking, if a team goes out and hits clean they DO score higher than a team that goes out and drops, but in some cases a team can be so strong in so many areas that they are actually a dropped stunt better than the next best team at a given competition. As far as I'm concerned this is ok with me, and it's something that most cheerleading competitions get right most of the time... And even the ones that get it "wrong" it's, IMO more often a judging error more than a scoring grid error

    Cheerleading is an expensive sport, and I think some of the things being discussed could bring the cost down, mainly a reduction of the total number of events being held. I think we also need to bear in mind that it's all relative to the program you CHOOSE to be a part of and in some cases the team you are on within that program... The more you travel, the more you compete, the bigger the events you go to, the more expensive the experience, and in most areas there are options with lower tuition rates and lower travel expenses and less "extras".

    IMHO double backs and triple fulls in all star cheerleading are a TERRIBLE idea! We have enough problems with improper progressions and unsafe instruction as it is and adding extremely dangerous skills could be potentially catastrophic for the industry, there is enough bad press as it is. Cheerleaders do not spend enough time conditioning and training to be learning those skills, in my opinion anyway, and I don't think there are really that many cheerleading instructors (compared to the total number) that are able to or qualified to teach those skills...
     
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  8. BlueCat

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    Whoever had admin capability here - what is your suggestion for organizing this a bit better? I hate to just keep opening up new topics that end up getting spread around. I can keep going - probably into the 50s, but I think that would just make an unreadable mess. (I'm sure there are MANY more ideas out there - anxious to hear/discuss them, too.)
     
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    i think we have one giant thread or MANY multiple threads. you put forth a lot of good ideas on here with a lot of different things to talk about.

    And I just thought of another idea. At all events DII teams can have crossovers up and down levels all they want. Also, at all events, DI teams can only crossover kids on the same level so they meet age restrictions.
     
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    How about creating a new section and starting a new topic for each of the 14 (and growing) recommendations?
     
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    i can make a USASF section i guess...

    but under what? allstar or competitions?
     
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    What does this do? First and foremost it would track the number of registered all stars in this country. It basically computerizes everything. Studies could be done on trends in metropolitan areas and low-lying areas. It could be used to register teams at events (go by number instead of name), it could include the universal waiver as well. Also, it could be used to track crossovers at competitions, or gym to gym crossovers. The computer systems could be set to flag event producers if someones number has been registered at that event (within whatever constraints USASF wants to use). It could also be set up to flag ages if a number is registered in a division that doesn't allow for that age group.

    Many issues are brushed off by the USASF because they have no way to monitor abuse. This system would give them a tool to simplify the system, give the sport some credibility, and assist in monitoring.

    Obviously there are still loop holes. Even though you registered athlete number 123456 at a competition, you could potentially have another athlete show up in their place and no one would know the difference. USA Hockey, gymnastics, select soccer, along with many other sports, all issue a membership card with your number on it. They require you to bring it to every tournament in case someone accuses an athlete of misrepresentation. This would also prevent gyms lugging around birth certificates to every competition (do they actually do this??lol).

    While the initial set-up of the system may be costly, the registration fee would eventually go towards maintaining the system. I think this would greatly improve the sport. I'd like to hear your reasons against it.
     
  13. flcheermom

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    I like the idea of a membership card for each cheerleader, it really would not be that hard to do. My son plays competitive soccer. Before each game the refs are given the player passes, and the ref checks in each player....looks at the picture on the card - make sure it matches the kid. If for some reason a player's pass is forgotten, pulled etc....that kid cannot play in that game regardless of the reason - no pass, no play. It takes all of 5 minutes to check them in. I know for cheer it would be somewhat different, but the concept of each member having a card and being checked in at the time of registration (or when a team walks back to warm-ups) is really an easy concept to help this sport gain credibility and hopefully help alleviate any cheating. I think that it would work better electronically though. Each cheerleader pays a small membership fee for the card.
     
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    Implementation would be a nightmare because of the number of people checking-in in a short time span. Soccer would fewer than 50 people checking in per hour per field. Cheerleading would 10-20 teams checking in per hour per floor.

    I think there have been a lot of great ideas in theory, but making them actually happen would be too hard or too expensive.
     
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    Actually, it wouldn't have to be much different than a college ID card. The cheerleader has them when they go to warm-ups and the card can be swiped. No one can enter the area without a card. Because each team has their delegated warm-up time this could be taken care of then without much of a backup or holdup. If there is an issue, the team has a certain amount of time (or no time, depending on how lenient to be) to fix the problem.