Division I And Division Ii At Worlds - Big Gym Separation

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  1. CheerBank

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    There are so many variables that can be raised when making the decisions for the split. Very curious to see what they wind up being - and then what needs to be further tweaked.

     
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    At the end of the day, I am so anti-split...BUT if the split happens and people want to give thoughts... this is what goes through my head and at the end of the day I know it will not matter what just I think.... so I type what is on my brain.
     
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    The idea of only using world age athletes to determine the "size" of the gym makes sense to me. There are several states that do not allow kids to do both HS cheer and allstars. I would assume programs in these states would most likely have a bigger pool of 6-13 year olds than 14-18 year olds.
     
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    After thinking about for a while, why not look at a variation of the current system and this idea. Change the qualifying for worlds - ie less bids for the D1 championship so that only the elite that given year are there - anyone can win a bid but there is only say 10? to give out in each division. Then have a D2-large and D2-small for remaining bids - say 10 each as well. This gives larger and smaller gyms other than the powerhouses the chance to compete and have a chance at winning their division, gives all gyms a chance to win a bid, can maybe worked to keep worlds around the same size (not sure how many teams were in qualifying stages but looked like a lot) and still keeps the D1 elite. Give globes to D1 and come up with something different but still prestigious for D2.
     
  5. cheernerd5678

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    I like that idea but I think 80 is kind of low. My gym has about 50 on our allstar teams, six of those are on our mini team. Of the rest, only 4 or 5 are under the age of twelve. So that puts us around halfway to being a big gym? Our highest level right now is level 3... so I don't think we're halfway to being able to compete with the big dogs. IDK. Eighty seems low - that's enough for 4 filled out small senior teams. I feel like it should be at least a hundred, to give you a senior team levels 1-5? Eighty just seems so low...
     
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    I was just thinking a small team out of a small gym needs only 20... assumed that most are lower then level 5... like I said, typing and thinking at the same time.. 100, 150, whatever it may be...
     
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    Are you counting the teams from their second location in this? I feel like between the two gyms they have more than seven teams.
     
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    What if the D1/D2 thing was like leagues in soccer. The elite (d1) have to finish with a certain record to stay in...bottom 2 teams are dropped to D2. The top 2 teams in D2 would move up to D1 at the end of the season. Obviously, details would need to be worked out...but something like that intrigues me.
     
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    This exactly, plus I think that the multiple locations rule hurts some rural programs. We are part of a 2location gym that serves 2 communities spread over a wide geographic area. They are essentially 2 separate gyms that would each qualify as a small gym on their own, but under the current rules we are excluded. I think that as long as there is no crossover between facilities they should be allowed to count as separate gyms.


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    I still think this is a bad idea ..... And the way people want to separate the divisions makes it worse and more complicated. Just my opinion


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    Because in this proposal, there is only four divisions. Small and medium senior, and small and medium coed. So they either have to have two teams compete in the same division, or they take less athletes to worlds all together.


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  13. Jennie

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    I believe the proposal meant that the new D1 and D2 would only be in the small and medium divisions and large would be left as it is
     
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    I just assumed they were just going to do these four divisions with D1 & D2 and large senior & large coed would stay the same because they aren't as big of divisions.
     
  15. RaRaMama

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    A lot of what you are describing is already happening though...a lot of kids/parents are already leaving small gyms for big gyms for the chance to win a Worlds ring. Our gym last year had an amazing L5 athelete that has one more year of senior eligibility, and she chose to try out for a Worlds winning team....would she have stuck around if the old team had a better shot to win in small coed? I don't know....but I think it's more likely that kids will stay put if they think they have a chance. I think the problem now is NoName Allstars can get an at-large bid, but then competes against 60 other programs that have a bigger athlete pool to pull from and have very little chance. I think, while not a perfect idea or solution, this offers smaller programs an opportunity to be competitive where they are...once they grow and develop into a large program, they can be competitive there. Just my two cents.