Get Our Sport Back: Flocheer And Varsity Video Policy

Discussion in 'Allstar Cheerleading' started by wondervvivi, Dec 3, 2018.

  1. CLynn

    CLynn I nugget in the back

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    I agree and ugh it is all so depressing!
    I could be off base but it seems to me there is little leeway for programs to increase prices on tuition or monthly fees and many programs probably NEED that check. I've often said I find our gym fee reasonable; it is the travel, uniforms, comp fees and everything else that needs serious reigning in. Also, I do not think it is their (top gyms) core competency to be in the business of event planning.

     
  2. icequeen

    icequeen Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    This kind of reminds me of the first year of worlds when Top Gun, World Cup, and Georgia(?) all boycotted any world bid competitions.
     
  3. justpeachy

    justpeachy I'm an announcer on CBS for Worlds (or should be)

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    Always comes back to money, doesn't it? Ultimately, gyms are going to have to take a hit to the pocket for real changes to happen. I hate that.
     
  4. SL&AM

    SL&AM Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I wasn't around then, why did they boycott?
     
  5. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I agree owners don't want to be involved in event planning, but I think it goes beyond owners. After the purchase of BSN Sports Varsity Brands tag line quickly went from "We Are Cheerleading" to "Elevating Student Experiences in Sport, Spirit, and Achievement." Adam Blumenfeld, from BSN Sports is the current CEO and you can look at their current website (<click) and it's obvious his big focus is on high school and college sports (Herff Jones got BSN in the doors of almost every HS and college in the US and Canada). Sport equipment and apparel is extremely profitable and there's hundreds of companies out there doing it for that reason. Cheer event planning....Googling....searching....nope, not so much. Human error, drama of scoring a subjective sport, social media drama, cities that purposely control the number of hotels to maximize prices for higher tax revenue while controlling the multi million/billion dollar venues you need and have no control over. That's not really any business owner's dream, but if there's someone out there that can do it better, cheaper, and more profitable they will.
     
  6. Cheerfan1234

    Cheerfan1234 Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    The first year of Worlds was 2004, and none of those programs "boycotted". World Cup just didn't qualify for Worlds that year because at that time, I think only the top 2 scoring level 5 teams at bid-events were invited (again I think...we're talking 14 years ago).

    In 2005, these teams "boycotted" NCA (not sure what other comps), but Georgia and I think Top Gun were at Worlds.
     
  7. Eyes On The Prize

    Eyes On The Prize Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I don't think thats a proper comparison. In your analogy of the NHL and sports networks, the league would be the equivalent to EP's/Varsity and the Fox Sports/Sportsnet would be Flo. Both the league and the networks have agreements that claim rights to content, especially for marketing (which would include YouTube clips posted to network and league channels).

    Gyms, in this analogy, would be the person who is not allowed to record at the game or the person who records the televised event and uploads it to YouTube. They are not part of the agreement between the service and the provider. Gyms are the consumer and have no rights here. (EDIT: Or you could argue the gyms are the hockey players on the teams, who still have little to no rights to content.)

    Leagues and networks go after people on Youtube, Twitter, other media outlets, etc all the time. It does happen in other sports, it happens everywhere.

    As much as I adore the idea of gyms having their own media channels so their fans can cheer on teams rather than recording, I'm doubtful Flo is going to reconsider their policy. Flo has nothing to gain and everything to lose from allowing that.
     
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  8. ScottyB

    ScottyB I have my own cheer message board

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    not quite correct.

    VB was the name when the company was just what is now known as Varsity Spirit, hence the tagline. Then they were bought by Herff Jones as a last hurrah save, where they made Jeff the boss of both. Meanwhile, BSN on its own was growing rapidly, and is the now VB's biggest revenue driver. Herff/VS bought BSN, named it VB and changed the tagline to student experiences cuz duh, sold to Charlesbank, who sold to Bain.

    Blumenfeld has been with BSN since day 1 (his dad founded the company)
     
  9. ScottyB

    ScottyB I have my own cheer message board

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    But where is the league for cheer in this comparison?

    I would think that the USASF or even USA Cheer would be protecting its members/orgs from this type of predatory behavior OR they would help set up a better deal to allow orgs and athletes to promote themselves
     
  10. catlady

    catlady Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    My apologies if I stated my facts wrong, I thought Blumenfeld was in fact the CEO over Varsity Brands which is the parent company of BSN, Spirit and Herff Jones after the Bain lbo. My point remains the same, however, that VB will concentrate on what's profitable (sporting goods and apparel) and no one seems to be banging down the doors to be an EP.

    Varsity Brands Announces Appointment Of Adam Blumenfeld As CEO - Varsity Brands
     
  11. icequeen

    icequeen Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I’m quite sure none of those programs attended any worlds bids competition and none competed at worlds that year. I don’t remember the exact reason behind it and they formed a board that year. It was on the old Pro x board so I’m not sure if anyone else is left from those days.

    ETA: all three programs did compete at Worlds in 2005 but not the inaugural year 2004.
     
  12. ScottyB

    ScottyB I have my own cheer message board

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    he is.
     
  13. icequeen

    icequeen Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I don’t remember the exact reason. I remember the thread on the old pro x board.
     
  14. Eyes On The Prize

    Eyes On The Prize Slow your roll, Sparkle.

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    I guess I would say there is no league in cheer that functions similarly to professional leagues. I wouldn't compare pro sports to youth sports. They are way too different.

    My response wasn't meant to compare pro sports to cheer but to compare the analogy of professional sports coverage to competition coverage. In the analogy that was presented, the professional league (NHL) would be equivalent to Varsity/EPs.


    USASF and USA Cheer are governing bodies. In my very own personal opinion, I don't think the governing body should be involved with stuff like that unless its directly harming athletes. I think they should be involved with rule and safety regulations and creating/upholding a universal scoring system and that's it.

    If gyms want an organization that they feel will protect them from predatory behavior in the "free market", they can create one themselves, separate from the governing body.
     
  15. Cheerfan1234

    Cheerfan1234 Best Flyer.. on a parent team

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    Actually, Top Gun, GA, and World Cup all attended NCA (a World's bid competition) in 2004. That was an important year for Stars because that was the first time they won the Large Senior division.

    Also, World Cup didn't attend Worlds in 2005, either. The "boycott NCA" year was 2005.